Discussion:
advice on starboard s type 126
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Jeff aka shredulato
2005-04-18 01:11:13 UTC
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i weight 190 and sail mosly slalom conditions on lake superior,
anybody sailed one of these ???
comparison to carve and hypersonic.
i will be getting a starboard so comparos to other boards arent
necessary.
i have a formula 155 , as such i think i pass on the hyper line
J. M. Colee
2005-04-18 17:13:05 UTC
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Hi Jeff,

I can give you my impression of the C111 versus the S-type 115 as I recently
replaced my C111 with the S-Type 115. I'm 6'0 and 160lbs.

I rode my C111 for the better part of three seasons at our lake and ocean
venues. The C111 is competent in small waves, ocean B&J and lake blasting. I
found the C111 easy to sail in a wide range of conditions with a three fin
quiver. The C111 is competent, playful and easy.

The S-Type is a bit more technical to ride, it's short and has a lot less
rocker than the C111. The nose can submarine while slogging if your not
paying attention. The S-Type is quicker to plane and it accelerates much
more quickly. The S-Type carries more speed through a wide arc jibe than the
C111 and it's a little less sensitive to clumsy foot work than the C111
which I find most refreshing (I'm a step jiber). The S-Type is not quite as
responsive to foot steering, even with the foot straps in-board. The S-Type
is better at turning a gust into speed and keeping that speed through a
lull. I feel like with the S-Type you get speed and acceleration at the
expense of some playfulness.

I'm riding Evo's in wave and B&J conditions now and they are super playful
so I went for the S-Type for my flat water blasting. I briefly considered
the Sonic but I was concerned about durability.

Hope this helps...

Mike
Post by Jeff aka shredulato
i weight 190 and sail mosly slalom conditions on lake superior,
anybody sailed one of these ???
comparison to carve and hypersonic.
i will be getting a starboard so comparos to other boards arent
necessary.
i have a formula 155 , as such i think i pass on the hyper line
jeff feehan
2005-04-19 13:08:30 UTC
Permalink
mike and jeff,
it's interesting that you (mike) found the s-type 115 to plane earlier
than the carve 111. in a thread on the starboard site, roger jackson
indicated that in general the s-types might not be as early planing
as the carves. jeff, you might want to look at that thread:

http://www.star-board.com/forum/starbulletin/read.asp?ID=4504&t=200541219270

i am looking for something to go between my formula/9.8 and my
83lt wave/5.5 - i had settled on the s-type 104/6.5, but now i'm having
second thoughts. basically, i now have a naish 8'11"/6.5 in that
spot, but would like something that will plane a little earlier to close
the gap with the formula/9.8 a bit. i want something fast, as for me,
6.5 conditions are usually flat to rolling swell with maybe small chop.

roger suggests the s-type 115 for me, but it's not really a size i
had in mind so i'm hesitating. i had hoped to demo one in cabarete,
but the s-types came out after jens put his 2005 order in.

so, now i'm holding off.

jeff feehan
Post by J. M. Colee
Hi Jeff,
I can give you my impression of the C111 versus the S-type 115 as I recently
replaced my C111 with the S-Type 115. I'm 6'0 and 160lbs.
I rode my C111 for the better part of three seasons at our lake and ocean
venues. The C111 is competent in small waves, ocean B&J and lake blasting. I
found the C111 easy to sail in a wide range of conditions with a three fin
quiver. The C111 is competent, playful and easy.
The S-Type is a bit more technical to ride, it's short and has a lot less
rocker than the C111. The nose can submarine while slogging if your not
paying attention. The S-Type is quicker to plane and it accelerates much
more quickly. The S-Type carries more speed through a wide arc jibe than the
C111 and it's a little less sensitive to clumsy foot work than the C111
which I find most refreshing (I'm a step jiber). The S-Type is not quite as
responsive to foot steering, even with the foot straps in-board. The S-Type
is better at turning a gust into speed and keeping that speed through a
lull. I feel like with the S-Type you get speed and acceleration at the
expense of some playfulness.
I'm riding Evo's in wave and B&J conditions now and they are super playful
so I went for the S-Type for my flat water blasting. I briefly considered
the Sonic but I was concerned about durability.
Hope this helps...
Mike
Post by Jeff aka shredulato
i weight 190 and sail mosly slalom conditions on lake superior,
anybody sailed one of these ???
comparison to carve and hypersonic.
i will be getting a starboard so comparos to other boards arent
necessary.
i have a formula 155 , as such i think i pass on the hyper line
WARDOG
2005-04-19 14:14:41 UTC
Permalink
I've ridden many miles on the *board Carve series over the last handful
of years...and I've ridden the S-Type 115 over the last several
months...and currently have a S-Type 126...both are in Wood construction...

I agree with Mike...I have found that the S-Type planes earlier than the
Carve...it's also faster...much faster...goes to weather better...much
better...and can carve blistering , full planing, jibes
easily...regardless of what somebody else says in a magazine...
I've had several customers state that whoever found this board hard to
jibe, doesn't know how to jibe!!!
Maybe the wind dropped, and maybe I haven't been sailing enough lately, but it was all I could do to get the S-Type on a plane.
Had I been on the Hypersonic, the GO 150, Starsurfer M, F-Type 138 or 148, or maybe even a Start S, and I think I had the power to pump onto a plane.
He was fresh off of a frustrating sesh...the wind dropped and he hadn't
been sailing much...not much footstrap time...maybe somebody passed him
on a Formula board...buzzkill...

It's easy to speculate...
I wasn't there...but, sounds like shoulda...woulda...coulda...

He rerigged and pumped in a slackening breeze...didn't grab a floatier
board with a bigger fin...which is my normal prescription...only
speculated had he done so, he thought he had adequate planing power, but
never proved it, IMO...sailing in marginal wind is tricky business...
volume is your friend...way bigger of a lever arm for planing than
adding a more pronounced pocket in your sail...

I've sailed head to head with my S-Type 115 and Mike on his beloved
Carve 111 (sold recently) in marginal winds...same fins...same
sails...and I was consistently 1/2 kt faster...weighing 40-45lbs more...
in powered conditions...about 2 kts faster...

I saw Mike recently plane the S-Type 115 up in a slackening breeze with
a 7.4m2 Phantom when if the three kiters that were out, stopped pumping
their kites, they would do the Hindenburg...big, glassy patches and
Swiss cheese wind...

Don't know what more to tell you, other than find one to demo and see
for yourself...

WARDOG
http://surfingsports.com
mike and jeff,
it's interesting that you (mike) found the s-type 115 to plane earlier
than the carve 111. in a thread on the starboard site, roger jackson
indicated that in general the s-types might not be as early planing
http://www.star-board.com/forum/starbulletin/read.asp?ID=4504&t=200541219270
i am looking for something to go between my formula/9.8 and my
83lt wave/5.5 - i had settled on the s-type 104/6.5, but now i'm having
second thoughts. basically, i now have a naish 8'11"/6.5 in that
spot, but would like something that will plane a little earlier to close
the gap with the formula/9.8 a bit. i want something fast, as for me,
6.5 conditions are usually flat to rolling swell with maybe small chop.
roger suggests the s-type 115 for me, but it's not really a size i
had in mind so i'm hesitating. i had hoped to demo one in cabarete,
but the s-types came out after jens put his 2005 order in.
so, now i'm holding off.
jeff feehan
Post by J. M. Colee
Hi Jeff,
I can give you my impression of the C111 versus the S-type 115 as I recently
replaced my C111 with the S-Type 115. I'm 6'0 and 160lbs.
I rode my C111 for the better part of three seasons at our lake and ocean
venues. The C111 is competent in small waves, ocean B&J and lake blasting. I
found the C111 easy to sail in a wide range of conditions with a three fin
quiver. The C111 is competent, playful and easy.
The S-Type is a bit more technical to ride, it's short and has a lot less
rocker than the C111. The nose can submarine while slogging if your not
paying attention. The S-Type is quicker to plane and it accelerates much
more quickly. The S-Type carries more speed through a wide arc jibe than the
C111 and it's a little less sensitive to clumsy foot work than the C111
which I find most refreshing (I'm a step jiber). The S-Type is not quite as
responsive to foot steering, even with the foot straps in-board. The S-Type
is better at turning a gust into speed and keeping that speed through a
lull. I feel like with the S-Type you get speed and acceleration at the
expense of some playfulness.
I'm riding Evo's in wave and B&J conditions now and they are super playful
so I went for the S-Type for my flat water blasting. I briefly considered
the Sonic but I was concerned about durability.
Hope this helps...
Mike
Post by Jeff aka shredulato
i weight 190 and sail mosly slalom conditions on lake superior,
anybody sailed one of these ???
comparison to carve and hypersonic.
i will be getting a starboard so comparos to other boards arent
necessary.
i have a formula 155 , as such i think i pass on the hyper line
John Sitka
2005-04-19 22:30:45 UTC
Permalink
Does the large S-type have any "V"
I've ridden many miles on the *board Carve series over the last handful of years...and I've ridden the S-Type 115 over the last
several months...and currently have a S-Type 126...both are in Wood construction...
I agree with Mike...I have found that the S-Type planes earlier than the Carve...it's also faster...much faster...goes to weather
better...much better...and can carve blistering , full planing, jibes easily...regardless of what somebody else says in a
magazine...
I've had several customers state that whoever found this board hard to jibe, doesn't know how to jibe!!!
Maybe the wind dropped, and maybe I haven't been sailing enough lately, but it was all I could do to get the S-Type on a plane.
Had I been on the Hypersonic, the GO 150, Starsurfer M, F-Type 138 or 148, or maybe even a Start S, and I think I had the power
to pump onto a plane.
He was fresh off of a frustrating sesh...the wind dropped and he hadn't been sailing much...not much footstrap time...maybe
somebody passed him on a Formula board...buzzkill...
It's easy to speculate...
I wasn't there...but, sounds like shoulda...woulda...coulda...
He rerigged and pumped in a slackening breeze...didn't grab a floatier board with a bigger fin...which is my normal
prescription...only speculated had he done so, he thought he had adequate planing power, but never proved it, IMO...sailing in
marginal wind is tricky business...
volume is your friend...way bigger of a lever arm for planing than adding a more pronounced pocket in your sail...
I've sailed head to head with my S-Type 115 and Mike on his beloved Carve 111 (sold recently) in marginal winds...same fins...same
sails...and I was consistently 1/2 kt faster...weighing 40-45lbs more...
in powered conditions...about 2 kts faster...
I saw Mike recently plane the S-Type 115 up in a slackening breeze with a 7.4m2 Phantom when if the three kiters that were out,
stopped pumping their kites, they would do the Hindenburg...big, glassy patches and Swiss cheese wind...
Don't know what more to tell you, other than find one to demo and see for yourself...
WARDOG
http://surfingsports.com
mike and jeff,
it's interesting that you (mike) found the s-type 115 to plane earlier
than the carve 111. in a thread on the starboard site, roger jackson
indicated that in general the s-types might not be as early planing
http://www.star-board.com/forum/starbulletin/read.asp?ID=4504&t=200541219270 i am looking for something to go between my
formula/9.8 and my
83lt wave/5.5 - i had settled on the s-type 104/6.5, but now i'm having
second thoughts. basically, i now have a naish 8'11"/6.5 in that
spot, but would like something that will plane a little earlier to close
the gap with the formula/9.8 a bit. i want something fast, as for me,
6.5 conditions are usually flat to rolling swell with maybe small chop.
roger suggests the s-type 115 for me, but it's not really a size i
had in mind so i'm hesitating. i had hoped to demo one in cabarete,
but the s-types came out after jens put his 2005 order in.
so, now i'm holding off.
jeff feehan
Post by J. M. Colee
Hi Jeff,
I can give you my impression of the C111 versus the S-type 115 as I recently
replaced my C111 with the S-Type 115. I'm 6'0 and 160lbs.
I rode my C111 for the better part of three seasons at our lake and ocean
venues. The C111 is competent in small waves, ocean B&J and lake blasting. I
found the C111 easy to sail in a wide range of conditions with a three fin
quiver. The C111 is competent, playful and easy.
The S-Type is a bit more technical to ride, it's short and has a lot less
rocker than the C111. The nose can submarine while slogging if your not
paying attention. The S-Type is quicker to plane and it accelerates much
more quickly. The S-Type carries more speed through a wide arc jibe than the
C111 and it's a little less sensitive to clumsy foot work than the C111
which I find most refreshing (I'm a step jiber). The S-Type is not quite as
responsive to foot steering, even with the foot straps in-board. The S-Type
is better at turning a gust into speed and keeping that speed through a
lull. I feel like with the S-Type you get speed and acceleration at the
expense of some playfulness.
I'm riding Evo's in wave and B&J conditions now and they are super playful
so I went for the S-Type for my flat water blasting. I briefly considered
the Sonic but I was concerned about durability.
Hope this helps...
Mike
Post by Jeff aka shredulato
i weight 190 and sail mosly slalom conditions on lake superior,
anybody sailed one of these ???
comparison to carve and hypersonic.
i will be getting a starboard so comparos to other boards arent
necessary.
i have a formula 155 , as such i think i pass on the hyper line
WARDOG
2005-04-20 15:20:45 UTC
Permalink
Post by John Sitka
Does the large S-type have any "V"
I've ridden many miles on the *board Carve series over the last handful of years...and I've ridden the S-Type 115 over the last
several months...and currently have a S-Type 126...both are in Wood construction...
I agree with Mike...I have found that the S-Type planes earlier than the Carve...it's also faster...much faster...goes to weather
better...much better...and can carve blistering , full planing, jibes easily...regardless of what somebody else says in a
magazine...
I've had several customers state that whoever found this board hard to jibe, doesn't know how to jibe!!!
Maybe the wind dropped, and maybe I haven't been sailing enough lately, but it was all I could do to get the S-Type on a plane.
Had I been on the Hypersonic, the GO 150, Starsurfer M, F-Type 138 or 148, or maybe even a Start S, and I think I had the power
to pump onto a plane.
He was fresh off of a frustrating sesh...the wind dropped and he hadn't been sailing much...not much footstrap time...maybe
somebody passed him on a Formula board...buzzkill...
It's easy to speculate...
I wasn't there...but, sounds like shoulda...woulda...coulda...
He rerigged and pumped in a slackening breeze...didn't grab a floatier board with a bigger fin...which is my normal
prescription...only speculated had he done so, he thought he had adequate planing power, but never proved it, IMO...sailing in
marginal wind is tricky business...
volume is your friend...way bigger of a lever arm for planing than adding a more pronounced pocket in your sail...
I've sailed head to head with my S-Type 115 and Mike on his beloved Carve 111 (sold recently) in marginal winds...same fins...same
sails...and I was consistently 1/2 kt faster...weighing 40-45lbs more...
in powered conditions...about 2 kts faster...
I saw Mike recently plane the S-Type 115 up in a slackening breeze with a 7.4m2 Phantom when if the three kiters that were out,
stopped pumping their kites, they would do the Hindenburg...big, glassy patches and Swiss cheese wind...
Don't know what more to tell you, other than find one to demo and see for yourself...
WARDOG
http://surfingsports.com
mike and jeff,
it's interesting that you (mike) found the s-type 115 to plane earlier
than the carve 111. in a thread on the starboard site, roger jackson
indicated that in general the s-types might not be as early planing
http://www.star-board.com/forum/starbulletin/read.asp?ID=4504&t=200541219270 i am looking for something to go between my
formula/9.8 and my
83lt wave/5.5 - i had settled on the s-type 104/6.5, but now i'm having
second thoughts. basically, i now have a naish 8'11"/6.5 in that
spot, but would like something that will plane a little earlier to close
the gap with the formula/9.8 a bit. i want something fast, as for me,
6.5 conditions are usually flat to rolling swell with maybe small chop.
roger suggests the s-type 115 for me, but it's not really a size i
had in mind so i'm hesitating. i had hoped to demo one in cabarete,
but the s-types came out after jens put his 2005 order in.
so, now i'm holding off.
jeff feehan
Post by J. M. Colee
Hi Jeff,
I can give you my impression of the C111 versus the S-type 115 as I recently
replaced my C111 with the S-Type 115. I'm 6'0 and 160lbs.
I rode my C111 for the better part of three seasons at our lake and ocean
venues. The C111 is competent in small waves, ocean B&J and lake blasting. I
found the C111 easy to sail in a wide range of conditions with a three fin
quiver. The C111 is competent, playful and easy.
The S-Type is a bit more technical to ride, it's short and has a lot less
rocker than the C111. The nose can submarine while slogging if your not
paying attention. The S-Type is quicker to plane and it accelerates much
more quickly. The S-Type carries more speed through a wide arc jibe than the
C111 and it's a little less sensitive to clumsy foot work than the C111
which I find most refreshing (I'm a step jiber). The S-Type is not quite as
responsive to foot steering, even with the foot straps in-board. The S-Type
is better at turning a gust into speed and keeping that speed through a
lull. I feel like with the S-Type you get speed and acceleration at the
expense of some playfulness.
I'm riding Evo's in wave and B&J conditions now and they are super playful
so I went for the S-Type for my flat water blasting. I briefly considered
the Sonic but I was concerned about durability.
Hope this helps...
Mike
Post by Jeff aka shredulato
i weight 190 and sail mosly slalom conditions on lake superior,
anybody sailed one of these ???
comparison to carve and hypersonic.
i will be getting a starboard so comparos to other boards arent
necessary.
i have a formula 155 , as such i think i pass on the hyper line
WARDOG
2005-04-20 15:26:43 UTC
Permalink
Post by John Sitka
Does the large S-type have any "V"
Hi John,
It has more "V" than you would think...one of the reasons it handles
chop and ocean conditions reasonably well...

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It will be interesting getting the Starboard Aeros...117/127...
They are advertised with "ZERO VEE BETWEEN YOUR FEET"...

http://www.surfingsports.com/starboard_aero.asp
http://www.boardseekermag.com/equipment_reviews/equipment/starboard_aero.htm

WARDOG
http://www.surfingsports.com
Post by John Sitka
I've ridden many miles on the *board Carve series over the last handful of years...and I've ridden the S-Type 115 over the last
several months...and currently have a S-Type 126...both are in Wood construction...
I agree with Mike...I have found that the S-Type planes earlier than the Carve...it's also faster...much faster...goes to weather
better...much better...and can carve blistering , full planing, jibes easily...regardless of what somebody else says in a
magazine...
I've had several customers state that whoever found this board hard to jibe, doesn't know how to jibe!!!
Maybe the wind dropped, and maybe I haven't been sailing enough lately, but it was all I could do to get the S-Type on a plane.
Had I been on the Hypersonic, the GO 150, Starsurfer M, F-Type 138 or 148, or maybe even a Start S, and I think I had the power
to pump onto a plane.
He was fresh off of a frustrating sesh...the wind dropped and he hadn't been sailing much...not much footstrap time...maybe
somebody passed him on a Formula board...buzzkill...
It's easy to speculate...
I wasn't there...but, sounds like shoulda...woulda...coulda...
He rerigged and pumped in a slackening breeze...didn't grab a floatier board with a bigger fin...which is my normal
prescription...only speculated had he done so, he thought he had adequate planing power, but never proved it, IMO...sailing in
marginal wind is tricky business...
volume is your friend...way bigger of a lever arm for planing than adding a more pronounced pocket in your sail...
I've sailed head to head with my S-Type 115 and Mike on his beloved Carve 111 (sold recently) in marginal winds...same fins...same
sails...and I was consistently 1/2 kt faster...weighing 40-45lbs more...
in powered conditions...about 2 kts faster...
I saw Mike recently plane the S-Type 115 up in a slackening breeze with a 7.4m2 Phantom when if the three kiters that were out,
stopped pumping their kites, they would do the Hindenburg...big, glassy patches and Swiss cheese wind...
Don't know what more to tell you, other than find one to demo and see for yourself...
WARDOG
http://surfingsports.com
mike and jeff,
it's interesting that you (mike) found the s-type 115 to plane earlier
than the carve 111. in a thread on the starboard site, roger jackson
indicated that in general the s-types might not be as early planing
http://www.star-board.com/forum/starbulletin/read.asp?ID=4504&t=200541219270 i am looking for something to go between my
formula/9.8 and my
83lt wave/5.5 - i had settled on the s-type 104/6.5, but now i'm having
second thoughts. basically, i now have a naish 8'11"/6.5 in that
spot, but would like something that will plane a little earlier to close
the gap with the formula/9.8 a bit. i want something fast, as for me,
6.5 conditions are usually flat to rolling swell with maybe small chop.
roger suggests the s-type 115 for me, but it's not really a size i
had in mind so i'm hesitating. i had hoped to demo one in cabarete,
but the s-types came out after jens put his 2005 order in.
so, now i'm holding off.
jeff feehan
Post by J. M. Colee
Hi Jeff,
I can give you my impression of the C111 versus the S-type 115 as I recently
replaced my C111 with the S-Type 115. I'm 6'0 and 160lbs.
I rode my C111 for the better part of three seasons at our lake and ocean
venues. The C111 is competent in small waves, ocean B&J and lake blasting. I
found the C111 easy to sail in a wide range of conditions with a three fin
quiver. The C111 is competent, playful and easy.
The S-Type is a bit more technical to ride, it's short and has a lot less
rocker than the C111. The nose can submarine while slogging if your not
paying attention. The S-Type is quicker to plane and it accelerates much
more quickly. The S-Type carries more speed through a wide arc jibe than the
C111 and it's a little less sensitive to clumsy foot work than the C111
which I find most refreshing (I'm a step jiber). The S-Type is not quite as
responsive to foot steering, even with the foot straps in-board. The S-Type
is better at turning a gust into speed and keeping that speed through a
lull. I feel like with the S-Type you get speed and acceleration at the
expense of some playfulness.
I'm riding Evo's in wave and B&J conditions now and they are super playful
so I went for the S-Type for my flat water blasting. I briefly considered
the Sonic but I was concerned about durability.
Hope this helps...
Mike
Post by Jeff aka shredulato
i weight 190 and sail mosly slalom conditions on lake superior,
anybody sailed one of these ???
comparison to carve and hypersonic.
i will be getting a starboard so comparos to other boards arent
necessary.
i have a formula 155 , as such i think i pass on the hyper line
John Sitka
2005-04-21 21:36:06 UTC
Permalink
WAUI !! Pictures with straight edge!
Hella good, WARDOG.

Thanks.
Post by WARDOG
Post by John Sitka
Does the large S-type have any "V"
Hi John,
It has more "V" than you would think...one of the reasons it handles chop and ocean conditions reasonably well...
http://www.surfingsports.com/images/stype_126_vee.jpg
http://www.surfingsports.com/images/stype_126_vol_distribution.jpg
http://www.surfingsports.com/images/stype_126_deck.jpg
http://www.surfingsports.com/images/stype_126_deck2.jpg
It will be interesting getting the Starboard Aeros...117/127...
They are advertised with "ZERO VEE BETWEEN YOUR FEET"...
http://www.surfingsports.com/starboard_aero.asp
http://www.boardseekermag.com/equipment_reviews/equipment/starboard_aero.htm
WARDOG
http://www.surfingsports.com
Post by John Sitka
I've ridden many miles on the *board Carve series over the last handful of years...and I've ridden the S-Type 115 over the last
several months...and currently have a S-Type 126...both are in Wood construction...
I agree with Mike...I have found that the S-Type planes earlier than the Carve...it's also faster...much faster...goes to weather
better...much better...and can carve blistering , full planing, jibes easily...regardless of what somebody else says in a
magazine...
I've had several customers state that whoever found this board hard to jibe, doesn't know how to jibe!!!
Maybe the wind dropped, and maybe I haven't been sailing enough lately, but it was all I could do to get the S-Type on a plane.
Had I been on the Hypersonic, the GO 150, Starsurfer M, F-Type 138 or 148, or maybe even a Start S, and I think I had the power
to pump onto a plane.
He was fresh off of a frustrating sesh...the wind dropped and he hadn't been sailing much...not much footstrap time...maybe
somebody passed him on a Formula board...buzzkill...
It's easy to speculate...
I wasn't there...but, sounds like shoulda...woulda...coulda...
He rerigged and pumped in a slackening breeze...didn't grab a floatier board with a bigger fin...which is my normal
prescription...only speculated had he done so, he thought he had adequate planing power, but never proved it, IMO...sailing in
marginal wind is tricky business...
volume is your friend...way bigger of a lever arm for planing than adding a more pronounced pocket in your sail...
I've sailed head to head with my S-Type 115 and Mike on his beloved Carve 111 (sold recently) in marginal winds...same
fins...same sails...and I was consistently 1/2 kt faster...weighing 40-45lbs more...
in powered conditions...about 2 kts faster...
I saw Mike recently plane the S-Type 115 up in a slackening breeze with a 7.4m2 Phantom when if the three kiters that were out,
stopped pumping their kites, they would do the Hindenburg...big, glassy patches and Swiss cheese wind...
Don't know what more to tell you, other than find one to demo and see for yourself...
WARDOG
http://surfingsports.com
mike and jeff,
it's interesting that you (mike) found the s-type 115 to plane earlier
than the carve 111. in a thread on the starboard site, roger jackson
indicated that in general the s-types might not be as early planing
http://www.star-board.com/forum/starbulletin/read.asp?ID=4504&t=200541219270 i am looking for something to go between my
formula/9.8 and my
83lt wave/5.5 - i had settled on the s-type 104/6.5, but now i'm having
second thoughts. basically, i now have a naish 8'11"/6.5 in that
spot, but would like something that will plane a little earlier to close
the gap with the formula/9.8 a bit. i want something fast, as for me,
6.5 conditions are usually flat to rolling swell with maybe small chop.
roger suggests the s-type 115 for me, but it's not really a size i
had in mind so i'm hesitating. i had hoped to demo one in cabarete,
but the s-types came out after jens put his 2005 order in.
so, now i'm holding off.
jeff feehan
Post by J. M. Colee
Hi Jeff,
I can give you my impression of the C111 versus the S-type 115 as I recently
replaced my C111 with the S-Type 115. I'm 6'0 and 160lbs.
I rode my C111 for the better part of three seasons at our lake and ocean
venues. The C111 is competent in small waves, ocean B&J and lake blasting. I
found the C111 easy to sail in a wide range of conditions with a three fin
quiver. The C111 is competent, playful and easy.
The S-Type is a bit more technical to ride, it's short and has a lot less
rocker than the C111. The nose can submarine while slogging if your not
paying attention. The S-Type is quicker to plane and it accelerates much
more quickly. The S-Type carries more speed through a wide arc jibe than the
C111 and it's a little less sensitive to clumsy foot work than the C111
which I find most refreshing (I'm a step jiber). The S-Type is not quite as
responsive to foot steering, even with the foot straps in-board. The S-Type
is better at turning a gust into speed and keeping that speed through a
lull. I feel like with the S-Type you get speed and acceleration at the
expense of some playfulness.
I'm riding Evo's in wave and B&J conditions now and they are super playful
so I went for the S-Type for my flat water blasting. I briefly considered
the Sonic but I was concerned about durability.
Hope this helps...
Mike
Post by Jeff aka shredulato
i weight 190 and sail mosly slalom conditions on lake superior,
anybody sailed one of these ???
comparison to carve and hypersonic.
i will be getting a starboard so comparos to other boards arent
necessary.
i have a formula 155 , as such i think i pass on the hyper line
bsinclair
2005-04-22 09:05:01 UTC
Permalink
Post by WARDOG
It will be interesting getting the Starboard Aeros...117/127...
They are advertised with "ZERO VEE BETWEEN YOUR FEET"...
http://www.surfingsports.com/starboard_aero.sp
Very interesting, in deed. Gross numbers on the 127 are amazingly close to
Sonic 125. Bet that would be an interesting heads up comparison.
bs
Post by WARDOG
Post by John Sitka
Does the large S-type have any "V"
Hi John,
It has more "V" than you would think...one of the reasons it handles
chop and ocean conditions reasonably well...
http://www.surfingsports.com/images/stype_126_vee.jpg
http://www.surfingsports.com/images/stype_126_vol_distribution.jpg
http://www.surfingsports.com/images/stype_126_deck.jpg
http://www.surfingsports.com/images/stype_126_deck2.jpg
It will be interesting getting the Starboard Aeros...117/127...
They are advertised with "ZERO VEE BETWEEN YOUR FEET"...
http://www.surfingsports.com/starboard_aero.asp
http://www.boardseekermag.com/equipment_reviews/equipment/starboard_aero.htm
Post by WARDOG
WARDOG
http://www.surfingsports.com
Post by John Sitka
Post by WARDOG
I've ridden many miles on the *board Carve series over the last handful
of years...and I've ridden the S-Type 115 over the last
Post by WARDOG
Post by John Sitka
Post by WARDOG
several months...and currently have a S-Type 126...both are in Wood construction...
I agree with Mike...I have found that the S-Type planes earlier than the
Carve...it's also faster...much faster...goes to weather
Post by WARDOG
Post by John Sitka
Post by WARDOG
better...much better...and can carve blistering , full planing, jibes
easily...regardless of what somebody else says in a
Post by WARDOG
Post by John Sitka
Post by WARDOG
magazine...
I've had several customers state that whoever found this board hard to
jibe, doesn't know how to jibe!!!
Post by WARDOG
Post by John Sitka
Post by WARDOG
Maybe the wind dropped, and maybe I haven't been sailing enough lately,
but it was all I could do to get the S-Type on a plane.
Post by WARDOG
Post by John Sitka
Post by WARDOG
Had I been on the Hypersonic, the GO 150, Starsurfer M, F-Type 138 or
148, or maybe even a Start S, and I think I had the power
Post by WARDOG
Post by John Sitka
Post by WARDOG
to pump onto a plane.
He was fresh off of a frustrating sesh...the wind dropped and he hadn't
been sailing much...not much footstrap time...maybe
Post by WARDOG
Post by John Sitka
Post by WARDOG
somebody passed him on a Formula board...buzzkill...
It's easy to speculate...
I wasn't there...but, sounds like shoulda...woulda...coulda...
He rerigged and pumped in a slackening breeze...didn't grab a floatier
board with a bigger fin...which is my normal
Post by WARDOG
Post by John Sitka
Post by WARDOG
prescription...only speculated had he done so, he thought he had
adequate planing power, but never proved it, IMO...sailing in
Post by WARDOG
Post by John Sitka
Post by WARDOG
marginal wind is tricky business...
volume is your friend...way bigger of a lever arm for planing than
adding a more pronounced pocket in your sail...
Post by WARDOG
Post by John Sitka
Post by WARDOG
I've sailed head to head with my S-Type 115 and Mike on his beloved
Carve 111 (sold recently) in marginal winds...same fins...same
Post by WARDOG
Post by John Sitka
Post by WARDOG
sails...and I was consistently 1/2 kt faster...weighing 40-45lbs more...
in powered conditions...about 2 kts faster...
I saw Mike recently plane the S-Type 115 up in a slackening breeze with
a 7.4m2 Phantom when if the three kiters that were out,
Post by WARDOG
Post by John Sitka
Post by WARDOG
stopped pumping their kites, they would do the Hindenburg...big, glassy
patches and Swiss cheese wind...
Post by WARDOG
Post by John Sitka
Post by WARDOG
Don't know what more to tell you, other than find one to demo and see for yourself...
WARDOG
http://surfingsports.com
mike and jeff,
it's interesting that you (mike) found the s-type 115 to plane earlier
than the carve 111. in a thread on the starboard site, roger jackson
indicated that in general the s-types might not be as early planing
http://www.star-board.com/forum/starbulletin/read.asp?ID=4504&t=200541219
270 i am looking for something to go between my
Post by WARDOG
Post by John Sitka
Post by WARDOG
formula/9.8 and my
83lt wave/5.5 - i had settled on the s-type 104/6.5, but now i'm having
second thoughts. basically, i now have a naish 8'11"/6.5 in that
spot, but would like something that will plane a little earlier to close
the gap with the formula/9.8 a bit. i want something fast, as for me,
6.5 conditions are usually flat to rolling swell with maybe small chop.
roger suggests the s-type 115 for me, but it's not really a size i
had in mind so i'm hesitating. i had hoped to demo one in cabarete,
but the s-types came out after jens put his 2005 order in.
so, now i'm holding off.
jeff feehan
Post by J. M. Colee
Hi Jeff,
I can give you my impression of the C111 versus the S-type 115 as I recently
replaced my C111 with the S-Type 115. I'm 6'0 and 160lbs.
I rode my C111 for the better part of three seasons at our lake and ocean
venues. The C111 is competent in small waves, ocean B&J and lake blasting. I
found the C111 easy to sail in a wide range of conditions with a three fin
quiver. The C111 is competent, playful and easy.
The S-Type is a bit more technical to ride, it's short and has a lot less
rocker than the C111. The nose can submarine while slogging if your not
paying attention. The S-Type is quicker to plane and it accelerates much
more quickly. The S-Type carries more speed through a wide arc jibe than the
C111 and it's a little less sensitive to clumsy foot work than the C111
which I find most refreshing (I'm a step jiber). The S-Type is not quite as
responsive to foot steering, even with the foot straps in-board. The S-Type
is better at turning a gust into speed and keeping that speed through a
lull. I feel like with the S-Type you get speed and acceleration at the
expense of some playfulness.
I'm riding Evo's in wave and B&J conditions now and they are super playful
so I went for the S-Type for my flat water blasting. I briefly considered
the Sonic but I was concerned about durability.
Hope this helps...
Mike
Post by Jeff aka shredulato
i weight 190 and sail mosly slalom conditions on lake superior,
anybody sailed one of these ???
comparison to carve and hypersonic.
i will be getting a starboard so comparos to other boards arent
necessary.
i have a formula 155 , as such i think i pass on the hyper line
jeff feehan
2005-04-20 10:44:18 UTC
Permalink
thanks wardog. as fast and as nice as my naish 8'11" is, it's definitely
nor early planing. the 8'11" is 57cm wide vs. 60cm for the s-type 104 -
not a huge difference, but something. the naish has a narrow tail, and i
would expect that there is a bigger difference back there.

it sounds like you haven't been out on the 104 yet. let us know
what you think if you get a chance to sail one. i assume you've
sold some - do you have much feedback yet?

thanks again.

jeff feehan
Post by WARDOG
I've ridden many miles on the *board Carve series over the last handful
of years...and I've ridden the S-Type 115 over the last several
months...and currently have a S-Type 126...both are in Wood construction...
I agree with Mike...I have found that the S-Type planes earlier than the
Carve...it's also faster...much faster...goes to weather better...much
better...and can carve blistering , full planing, jibes
easily...regardless of what somebody else says in a magazine...
I've had several customers state that whoever found this board hard to
jibe, doesn't know how to jibe!!!
Maybe the wind dropped, and maybe I haven't been sailing enough
lately, but it was all I could do to get the S-Type on a plane. Had I
been on the Hypersonic, the GO 150, Starsurfer M, F-Type 138 or 148,
or maybe even a Start S, and I think I had the power to pump onto a
plane.
He was fresh off of a frustrating sesh...the wind dropped and he hadn't
been sailing much...not much footstrap time...maybe somebody passed him
on a Formula board...buzzkill...
It's easy to speculate...
I wasn't there...but, sounds like shoulda...woulda...coulda...
He rerigged and pumped in a slackening breeze...didn't grab a floatier
board with a bigger fin...which is my normal prescription...only
speculated had he done so, he thought he had adequate planing power, but
never proved it, IMO...sailing in marginal wind is tricky business...
volume is your friend...way bigger of a lever arm for planing than
adding a more pronounced pocket in your sail...
I've sailed head to head with my S-Type 115 and Mike on his beloved
Carve 111 (sold recently) in marginal winds...same fins...same
sails...and I was consistently 1/2 kt faster...weighing 40-45lbs more...
in powered conditions...about 2 kts faster...
I saw Mike recently plane the S-Type 115 up in a slackening breeze with
a 7.4m2 Phantom when if the three kiters that were out, stopped pumping
their kites, they would do the Hindenburg...big, glassy patches and
Swiss cheese wind...
Don't know what more to tell you, other than find one to demo and see
for yourself...
WARDOG
http://surfingsports.com
mike and jeff,
it's interesting that you (mike) found the s-type 115 to plane earlier
than the carve 111. in a thread on the starboard site, roger jackson
indicated that in general the s-types might not be as early planing
http://www.star-board.com/forum/starbulletin/read.asp?ID=4504&t=200541219270
i am looking for something to go between my formula/9.8 and my
83lt wave/5.5 - i had settled on the s-type 104/6.5, but now i'm having
second thoughts. basically, i now have a naish 8'11"/6.5 in that
spot, but would like something that will plane a little earlier to close
the gap with the formula/9.8 a bit. i want something fast, as for me,
6.5 conditions are usually flat to rolling swell with maybe small chop.
roger suggests the s-type 115 for me, but it's not really a size i
had in mind so i'm hesitating. i had hoped to demo one in cabarete,
but the s-types came out after jens put his 2005 order in.
so, now i'm holding off.
jeff feehan
Post by J. M. Colee
Hi Jeff,
I can give you my impression of the C111 versus the S-type 115 as I recently
replaced my C111 with the S-Type 115. I'm 6'0 and 160lbs.
I rode my C111 for the better part of three seasons at our lake and ocean
venues. The C111 is competent in small waves, ocean B&J and lake blasting. I
found the C111 easy to sail in a wide range of conditions with a three fin
quiver. The C111 is competent, playful and easy.
The S-Type is a bit more technical to ride, it's short and has a lot less
rocker than the C111. The nose can submarine while slogging if your not
paying attention. The S-Type is quicker to plane and it accelerates much
more quickly. The S-Type carries more speed through a wide arc jibe than the
C111 and it's a little less sensitive to clumsy foot work than the C111
which I find most refreshing (I'm a step jiber). The S-Type is not quite as
responsive to foot steering, even with the foot straps in-board. The S-Type
is better at turning a gust into speed and keeping that speed through a
lull. I feel like with the S-Type you get speed and acceleration at the
expense of some playfulness.
I'm riding Evo's in wave and B&J conditions now and they are super playful
so I went for the S-Type for my flat water blasting. I briefly considered
the Sonic but I was concerned about durability.
Hope this helps...
Mike
Post by Jeff aka shredulato
i weight 190 and sail mosly slalom conditions on lake superior,
anybody sailed one of these ???
comparison to carve and hypersonic.
i will be getting a starboard so comparos to other boards arent
necessary.
i have a formula 155 , as such i think i pass on the hyper line
WARDOG
2005-04-20 15:20:39 UTC
Permalink
Hi Jeff,
We've put a few 104's on the water...mostly 115's and 126's...and a
Pro-Kids S-Type...

Just received this email last week:

4/12/05

"I took part in a speed competition Saturday at Bird Island Basin in
Corpus Christi, TX. Used a ST-104 (Starboard S-Type 104) with a 5.2 Ezzy
wave sail, and your 10" Freeweed fin. Placed 4th with a GPS best of 34.0
mph. Your fin may look big but definitely isn't slow. Even more
impressive was the turns. Going for max speed, I was pushing very far
into the North end of the island, which required a very hard turn at the
end. Miss it and you hit a sandbar. Your fin held in through the
fastest, tightest, laydown jibes I've ever done. Jamming into a hard
turn at 30+ is a surefire recipe for spinout. The fin never bobbled.

IMPRESSIVE!

Tom S*****r
Portland, TX"

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http://www.surfingsports.com
Post by jeff feehan
thanks wardog. as fast and as nice as my naish 8'11" is, it's definitely
nor early planing. the 8'11" is 57cm wide vs. 60cm for the s-type 104 -
not a huge difference, but something. the naish has a narrow tail, and i
would expect that there is a bigger difference back there.
it sounds like you haven't been out on the 104 yet. let us know
what you think if you get a chance to sail one. i assume you've
sold some - do you have much feedback yet?
thanks again.
jeff feehan
Post by WARDOG
I've ridden many miles on the *board Carve series over the last
handful of years...and I've ridden the S-Type 115 over the last
several months...and currently have a S-Type 126...both are in Wood
construction...
I agree with Mike...I have found that the S-Type planes earlier than
the Carve...it's also faster...much faster...goes to weather
better...much better...and can carve blistering , full planing, jibes
easily...regardless of what somebody else says in a magazine...
I've had several customers state that whoever found this board hard to
jibe, doesn't know how to jibe!!!
Maybe the wind dropped, and maybe I haven't been sailing enough
lately, but it was all I could do to get the S-Type on a plane. Had I
been on the Hypersonic, the GO 150, Starsurfer M, F-Type 138 or 148,
or maybe even a Start S, and I think I had the power to pump onto a
plane.
He was fresh off of a frustrating sesh...the wind dropped and he
hadn't been sailing much...not much footstrap time...maybe somebody
passed him on a Formula board...buzzkill...
It's easy to speculate...
I wasn't there...but, sounds like shoulda...woulda...coulda...
He rerigged and pumped in a slackening breeze...didn't grab a floatier
board with a bigger fin...which is my normal prescription...only
speculated had he done so, he thought he had adequate planing power,
but never proved it, IMO...sailing in marginal wind is tricky business...
volume is your friend...way bigger of a lever arm for planing than
adding a more pronounced pocket in your sail...
I've sailed head to head with my S-Type 115 and Mike on his beloved
Carve 111 (sold recently) in marginal winds...same fins...same
sails...and I was consistently 1/2 kt faster...weighing 40-45lbs more...
in powered conditions...about 2 kts faster...
I saw Mike recently plane the S-Type 115 up in a slackening breeze
with a 7.4m2 Phantom when if the three kiters that were out, stopped
pumping their kites, they would do the Hindenburg...big, glassy
patches and Swiss cheese wind...
Don't know what more to tell you, other than find one to demo and see
for yourself...
WARDOG
http://surfingsports.com
mike and jeff,
it's interesting that you (mike) found the s-type 115 to plane earlier
than the carve 111. in a thread on the starboard site, roger jackson
indicated that in general the s-types might not be as early planing
http://www.star-board.com/forum/starbulletin/read.asp?ID=4504&t=200541219270
i am looking for something to go between my formula/9.8 and my
83lt wave/5.5 - i had settled on the s-type 104/6.5, but now i'm having
second thoughts. basically, i now have a naish 8'11"/6.5 in that
spot, but would like something that will plane a little earlier to close
the gap with the formula/9.8 a bit. i want something fast, as for me,
6.5 conditions are usually flat to rolling swell with maybe small chop.
roger suggests the s-type 115 for me, but it's not really a size i
had in mind so i'm hesitating. i had hoped to demo one in cabarete,
but the s-types came out after jens put his 2005 order in.
so, now i'm holding off.
jeff feehan
Post by J. M. Colee
Hi Jeff,
I can give you my impression of the C111 versus the S-type 115 as I recently
replaced my C111 with the S-Type 115. I'm 6'0 and 160lbs.
I rode my C111 for the better part of three seasons at our lake and ocean
venues. The C111 is competent in small waves, ocean B&J and lake blasting. I
found the C111 easy to sail in a wide range of conditions with a three fin
quiver. The C111 is competent, playful and easy.
The S-Type is a bit more technical to ride, it's short and has a lot less
rocker than the C111. The nose can submarine while slogging if your not
paying attention. The S-Type is quicker to plane and it accelerates much
more quickly. The S-Type carries more speed through a wide arc jibe than the
C111 and it's a little less sensitive to clumsy foot work than the C111
which I find most refreshing (I'm a step jiber). The S-Type is not quite as
responsive to foot steering, even with the foot straps in-board. The S-Type
is better at turning a gust into speed and keeping that speed through a
lull. I feel like with the S-Type you get speed and acceleration at the
expense of some playfulness.
I'm riding Evo's in wave and B&J conditions now and they are super playful
so I went for the S-Type for my flat water blasting. I briefly considered
the Sonic but I was concerned about durability.
Hope this helps...
Mike
Post by Jeff aka shredulato
i weight 190 and sail mosly slalom conditions on lake superior,
anybody sailed one of these ???
comparison to carve and hypersonic.
i will be getting a starboard so comparos to other boards arent
necessary.
i have a formula 155 , as such i think i pass on the hyper line
J. M. Colee
2005-04-20 19:04:54 UTC
Permalink
Hi Jeff,

I read Roger's post and I'm not sure I agree with regard to the specific
comparison of the C111 and the ST 115. The width of these two boards is
almost identical but the ST has four more liters of volume and way less
rocker. Wouldn't this tend to promote earlier planing? Perhaps Roger will
comment of the affect of rocker on early planing. The ST is 10cm shorter but
I'm not sure this has any affect on early planing. There's also a whole lot
of science built into the bottoms and rails of these boards that escapes the
naked eye and I'm sure that has a big affect as well.

The final thing that sold me on the ST 115 was reading what KP had to say on
the SB ask Kevin forum. You should check it out. I understand wanting to
sail the board before you make such a big investment. I am quite fortunate
in that I sail many of the same venues as my local retailer (Wardog) and he
often has a big cross section of the SB products in his van that he very
generously makes available for demo sailing. Thanks Wardog!

Mike
Post by jeff feehan
mike and jeff,
it's interesting that you (mike) found the s-type 115 to plane earlier
than the carve 111. in a thread on the starboard site, roger jackson
indicated that in general the s-types might not be as early planing
http://www.star-board.com/forum/starbulletin/read.asp?ID=4504&t=200541219270
Post by jeff feehan
i am looking for something to go between my formula/9.8 and my
83lt wave/5.5 - i had settled on the s-type 104/6.5, but now i'm having
second thoughts. basically, i now have a naish 8'11"/6.5 in that
spot, but would like something that will plane a little earlier to close
the gap with the formula/9.8 a bit. i want something fast, as for me,
6.5 conditions are usually flat to rolling swell with maybe small chop.
roger suggests the s-type 115 for me, but it's not really a size i
had in mind so i'm hesitating. i had hoped to demo one in cabarete,
but the s-types came out after jens put his 2005 order in.
so, now i'm holding off.
jeff feehan
Post by J. M. Colee
Hi Jeff,
I can give you my impression of the C111 versus the S-type 115 as I recently
replaced my C111 with the S-Type 115. I'm 6'0 and 160lbs.
I rode my C111 for the better part of three seasons at our lake and ocean
venues. The C111 is competent in small waves, ocean B&J and lake blasting. I
found the C111 easy to sail in a wide range of conditions with a three fin
quiver. The C111 is competent, playful and easy.
The S-Type is a bit more technical to ride, it's short and has a lot less
rocker than the C111. The nose can submarine while slogging if your not
paying attention. The S-Type is quicker to plane and it accelerates much
more quickly. The S-Type carries more speed through a wide arc jibe than the
C111 and it's a little less sensitive to clumsy foot work than the C111
which I find most refreshing (I'm a step jiber). The S-Type is not quite as
responsive to foot steering, even with the foot straps in-board. The S-Type
is better at turning a gust into speed and keeping that speed through a
lull. I feel like with the S-Type you get speed and acceleration at the
expense of some playfulness.
I'm riding Evo's in wave and B&J conditions now and they are super playful
so I went for the S-Type for my flat water blasting. I briefly considered
the Sonic but I was concerned about durability.
Hope this helps...
Mike
Post by Jeff aka shredulato
i weight 190 and sail mosly slalom conditions on lake superior,
anybody sailed one of these ???
comparison to carve and hypersonic.
i will be getting a starboard so comparos to other boards arent
necessary.
i have a formula 155 , as such i think i pass on the hyper line
jeff feehan
2005-04-21 18:37:31 UTC
Permalink
well, i was a little surprised by roger's opinion. i had been really
sold on the 104. i've not spent much time on carves myself, and all
i've seen of the s-types are the great pics that wardog posted.

i'm glad to hear that you like your board. i doubt i'll get chance
to demo a 104, so i'll just have to wing it.

jeff feehan
Post by J. M. Colee
Hi Jeff,
I read Roger's post and I'm not sure I agree with regard to the specific
comparison of the C111 and the ST 115. The width of these two boards is
almost identical but the ST has four more liters of volume and way less
rocker. Wouldn't this tend to promote earlier planing? Perhaps Roger will
comment of the affect of rocker on early planing. The ST is 10cm shorter but
I'm not sure this has any affect on early planing. There's also a whole lot
of science built into the bottoms and rails of these boards that escapes the
naked eye and I'm sure that has a big affect as well.
The final thing that sold me on the ST 115 was reading what KP had to say on
the SB ask Kevin forum. You should check it out. I understand wanting to
sail the board before you make such a big investment. I am quite fortunate
in that I sail many of the same venues as my local retailer (Wardog) and he
often has a big cross section of the SB products in his van that he very
generously makes available for demo sailing. Thanks Wardog!
Mike
Post by jeff feehan
mike and jeff,
it's interesting that you (mike) found the s-type 115 to plane earlier
than the carve 111. in a thread on the starboard site, roger jackson
indicated that in general the s-types might not be as early planing
http://www.star-board.com/forum/starbulletin/read.asp?ID=4504&t=200541219270
Post by jeff feehan
i am looking for something to go between my formula/9.8 and my
83lt wave/5.5 - i had settled on the s-type 104/6.5, but now i'm having
second thoughts. basically, i now have a naish 8'11"/6.5 in that
spot, but would like something that will plane a little earlier to close
the gap with the formula/9.8 a bit. i want something fast, as for me,
6.5 conditions are usually flat to rolling swell with maybe small chop.
roger suggests the s-type 115 for me, but it's not really a size i
had in mind so i'm hesitating. i had hoped to demo one in cabarete,
but the s-types came out after jens put his 2005 order in.
so, now i'm holding off.
jeff feehan
Post by J. M. Colee
Hi Jeff,
I can give you my impression of the C111 versus the S-type 115 as I
recently
Post by jeff feehan
Post by J. M. Colee
replaced my C111 with the S-Type 115. I'm 6'0 and 160lbs.
I rode my C111 for the better part of three seasons at our lake and
ocean
Post by jeff feehan
Post by J. M. Colee
venues. The C111 is competent in small waves, ocean B&J and lake
blasting. I
Post by jeff feehan
Post by J. M. Colee
found the C111 easy to sail in a wide range of conditions with a three
fin
Post by jeff feehan
Post by J. M. Colee
quiver. The C111 is competent, playful and easy.
The S-Type is a bit more technical to ride, it's short and has a lot
less
Post by jeff feehan
Post by J. M. Colee
rocker than the C111. The nose can submarine while slogging if your not
paying attention. The S-Type is quicker to plane and it accelerates much
more quickly. The S-Type carries more speed through a wide arc jibe than
the
Post by jeff feehan
Post by J. M. Colee
C111 and it's a little less sensitive to clumsy foot work than the C111
which I find most refreshing (I'm a step jiber). The S-Type is not quite
as
Post by jeff feehan
Post by J. M. Colee
responsive to foot steering, even with the foot straps in-board. The
S-Type
Post by jeff feehan
Post by J. M. Colee
is better at turning a gust into speed and keeping that speed through a
lull. I feel like with the S-Type you get speed and acceleration at the
expense of some playfulness.
I'm riding Evo's in wave and B&J conditions now and they are super
playful
Post by jeff feehan
Post by J. M. Colee
so I went for the S-Type for my flat water blasting. I briefly
considered
Post by jeff feehan
Post by J. M. Colee
the Sonic but I was concerned about durability.
Hope this helps...
Mike
Post by Jeff aka shredulato
i weight 190 and sail mosly slalom conditions on lake superior,
anybody sailed one of these ???
comparison to carve and hypersonic.
i will be getting a starboard so comparos to other boards arent
necessary.
i have a formula 155 , as such i think i pass on the hyper line
WARDOG
2005-05-09 15:59:59 UTC
Permalink
Post by jeff feehan
well, i was a little surprised by roger's opinion. i had been really
sold on the 104. i've not spent much time on carves myself, and all
i've seen of the s-types are the great pics that wardog posted.
i'm glad to hear that you like your board. i doubt i'll get chance
to demo a 104, so i'll just have to wing it.
Hi Jeff,
Just received an email this A.M. with first impression review from a
Post by jeff feehan
Warren,
Board bag came, fits nice. Thanks.
Got the board out this weekend. Not much wind, and gusty (2-17mph). So, I rigged for the lulls and to head upwind: 7.5 Ezzy and your 12" weed-wave. I installed the straps outboard to do the speed freak thing. I do have to get used to the rounded front: a mini barge?
Without any wind, the board felt corky, probably because of the thick deck. Standing on the centerline is the call here. But it planed up quicker than anything that I've sailed in the 100 liter size. The release was very crisp and simply astounding. One minute, you're bobbing, then you see a windline/gust, you set the sail, head down a tiny bit and pump twice; and you're off blasting away! At that time, the wind was 12-13 mph. I weighed 165 lb (had steak the night before)..
This board was really smooth, and seemed to get smoother the faster you go. The cross chop didn't seem to bother it. I didn't have the big swells to play with, so no comment on its behavior there. But the short length is definitely a plus in that situation. Except for a couple of lite-no wind tacks, the nose never went under water.
I finally read some of the reviews, and I'm perplexed by the comments (6.5 max sail and not so easy jibing?). This board easily took my 7.5 size sail. I could've used the 10" weed-wave too, but was too lazy to head back to shore. A caveat is that although floaty, there isn't much real estate on board. So light feet is definitely required. Now, onto jibing. If you are carrying speed, this board jibes really well. It seemed like the harder I cranked, the more it'd carve. The trick is to apply what all us married guys are supposed to have: COMMITMENT. So, I can only guess that none of the reviewers are married? The rails set firmly and the board carried enough momentum to keep planing out. BTW, this is the only board that I've sailed outside of the FW/Hypersonics that maintains tremendous momentum through the lulls.
So what's not to like? Well the board side profile is a bit chunky, and the red paint is garish to some. But then it's not meant to be a display on the car rack. Once on the water, all ugliness disappears and only the guys in front of you would see red, as you gain and pass them.
This is a keeper.
Peter
WARDOG
http://surfingsports.com
Post by jeff feehan
jeff feehan
Post by J. M. Colee
Hi Jeff,
I read Roger's post and I'm not sure I agree with regard to the specific
comparison of the C111 and the ST 115. The width of these two boards is
almost identical but the ST has four more liters of volume and way less
rocker. Wouldn't this tend to promote earlier planing? Perhaps Roger will
comment of the affect of rocker on early planing. The ST is 10cm shorter but
I'm not sure this has any affect on early planing. There's also a whole lot
of science built into the bottoms and rails of these boards that escapes the
naked eye and I'm sure that has a big affect as well.
The final thing that sold me on the ST 115 was reading what KP had to say on
the SB ask Kevin forum. You should check it out. I understand wanting to
sail the board before you make such a big investment. I am quite fortunate
in that I sail many of the same venues as my local retailer (Wardog) and he
often has a big cross section of the SB products in his van that he very
generously makes available for demo sailing. Thanks Wardog!
Mike
Post by jeff feehan
mike and jeff,
it's interesting that you (mike) found the s-type 115 to plane earlier
than the carve 111. in a thread on the starboard site, roger jackson
indicated that in general the s-types might not be as early planing
http://www.star-board.com/forum/starbulletin/read.asp?ID=4504&t=200541219270
Post by jeff feehan
i am looking for something to go between my formula/9.8 and my
83lt wave/5.5 - i had settled on the s-type 104/6.5, but now i'm having
second thoughts. basically, i now have a naish 8'11"/6.5 in that
spot, but would like something that will plane a little earlier to close
the gap with the formula/9.8 a bit. i want something fast, as for me,
6.5 conditions are usually flat to rolling swell with maybe small chop.
roger suggests the s-type 115 for me, but it's not really a size i
had in mind so i'm hesitating. i had hoped to demo one in cabarete,
but the s-types came out after jens put his 2005 order in.
so, now i'm holding off.
jeff feehan
Post by J. M. Colee
Hi Jeff,
I can give you my impression of the C111 versus the S-type 115 as I
recently
Post by jeff feehan
Post by J. M. Colee
replaced my C111 with the S-Type 115. I'm 6'0 and 160lbs.
I rode my C111 for the better part of three seasons at our lake and
ocean
Post by jeff feehan
Post by J. M. Colee
venues. The C111 is competent in small waves, ocean B&J and lake
blasting. I
Post by jeff feehan
Post by J. M. Colee
found the C111 easy to sail in a wide range of conditions with a three
fin
Post by jeff feehan
Post by J. M. Colee
quiver. The C111 is competent, playful and easy.
The S-Type is a bit more technical to ride, it's short and has a lot
less
Post by jeff feehan
Post by J. M. Colee
rocker than the C111. The nose can submarine while slogging if your not
paying attention. The S-Type is quicker to plane and it accelerates much
more quickly. The S-Type carries more speed through a wide arc jibe than
the
Post by jeff feehan
Post by J. M. Colee
C111 and it's a little less sensitive to clumsy foot work than the C111
which I find most refreshing (I'm a step jiber). The S-Type is not quite
as
Post by jeff feehan
Post by J. M. Colee
responsive to foot steering, even with the foot straps in-board. The
S-Type
Post by jeff feehan
Post by J. M. Colee
is better at turning a gust into speed and keeping that speed through a
lull. I feel like with the S-Type you get speed and acceleration at the
expense of some playfulness.
I'm riding Evo's in wave and B&J conditions now and they are super
playful
Post by jeff feehan
Post by J. M. Colee
so I went for the S-Type for my flat water blasting. I briefly
considered
Post by jeff feehan
Post by J. M. Colee
the Sonic but I was concerned about durability.
Hope this helps...
Mike
Post by Jeff aka shredulato
i weight 190 and sail mosly slalom conditions on lake superior,
anybody sailed one of these ???
comparison to carve and hypersonic.
i will be getting a starboard so comparos to other boards arent
necessary.
i have a formula 155 , as such i think i pass on the hyper line
jeff feehan
2005-05-10 10:25:36 UTC
Permalink
thanks wardog, it's beginning to sound like a good choice
for me.

jeff feehan
Post by J. M. Colee
Post by jeff feehan
well, i was a little surprised by roger's opinion. i had been really
sold on the 104. i've not spent much time on carves myself, and all
i've seen of the s-types are the great pics that wardog posted.
i'm glad to hear that you like your board. i doubt i'll get chance
to demo a 104, so i'll just have to wing it.
Hi Jeff,
Just received an email this A.M. with first impression review from a
Post by jeff feehan
Warren,
Board bag came, fits nice. Thanks.
Got the board out this weekend. Not much wind, and gusty (2-17mph).
So, I rigged for the lulls and to head upwind: 7.5 Ezzy and your 12"
weed-wave. I installed the straps outboard to do the speed freak
thing. I do have to get used to the rounded front: a mini barge?
Without any wind, the board felt corky, probably because of the thick
deck. Standing on the centerline is the call here. But it planed up
quicker than anything that I've sailed in the 100 liter size. The
release was very crisp and simply astounding. One minute, you're
bobbing, then you see a windline/gust, you set the sail, head down a
tiny bit and pump twice; and you're off blasting away! At that time,
the wind was 12-13 mph. I weighed 165 lb (had steak the night before)..
This board was really smooth, and seemed to get smoother the faster
you go. The cross chop didn't seem to bother it. I didn't have the
big swells to play with, so no comment on its behavior there. But the
short length is definitely a plus in that situation. Except for a
couple of lite-no wind tacks, the nose never went under water.
I finally read some of the reviews, and I'm perplexed by the comments
(6.5 max sail and not so easy jibing?). This board easily took my 7.5
size sail. I could've used the 10" weed-wave too, but was too lazy to
head back to shore. A caveat is that although floaty, there isn't
much real estate on board. So light feet is definitely required.
Now, onto jibing. If you are carrying speed, this board jibes really
well. It seemed like the harder I cranked, the more it'd carve. The
COMMITMENT. So, I can only guess that none of the reviewers are
married? The rails set firmly and the board carried enough momentum
to keep planing out. BTW, this is the only board that I've sailed
outside of the FW/Hypersonics that maintains tremendous momentum
through the lulls. So what's not to like? Well the board side
profile is a bit chunky, and the red paint is garish to some. But
then it's not meant to be a display on the car rack. Once on the
water, all ugliness disappears and only the guys in front of you would
see red, as you gain and pass them.
This is a keeper.
Peter
WARDOG
http://surfingsports.com
Post by jeff feehan
jeff feehan
Post by J. M. Colee
Hi Jeff,
I read Roger's post and I'm not sure I agree with regard to the specific
comparison of the C111 and the ST 115. The width of these two boards is
almost identical but the ST has four more liters of volume and way less
rocker. Wouldn't this tend to promote earlier planing? Perhaps Roger will
comment of the affect of rocker on early planing. The ST is 10cm shorter but
I'm not sure this has any affect on early planing. There's also a whole lot
of science built into the bottoms and rails of these boards that escapes the
naked eye and I'm sure that has a big affect as well.
The final thing that sold me on the ST 115 was reading what KP had to say on
the SB ask Kevin forum. You should check it out. I understand wanting to
sail the board before you make such a big investment. I am quite fortunate
in that I sail many of the same venues as my local retailer (Wardog) and he
often has a big cross section of the SB products in his van that he very
generously makes available for demo sailing. Thanks Wardog!
Mike
Post by jeff feehan
mike and jeff,
it's interesting that you (mike) found the s-type 115 to plane earlier
than the carve 111. in a thread on the starboard site, roger jackson
indicated that in general the s-types might not be as early planing
http://www.star-board.com/forum/starbulletin/read.asp?ID=4504&t=200541219270
Post by jeff feehan
i am looking for something to go between my formula/9.8 and my
83lt wave/5.5 - i had settled on the s-type 104/6.5, but now i'm having
second thoughts. basically, i now have a naish 8'11"/6.5 in that
spot, but would like something that will plane a little earlier to close
the gap with the formula/9.8 a bit. i want something fast, as for me,
6.5 conditions are usually flat to rolling swell with maybe small chop.
roger suggests the s-type 115 for me, but it's not really a size i
had in mind so i'm hesitating. i had hoped to demo one in cabarete,
but the s-types came out after jens put his 2005 order in.
so, now i'm holding off.
jeff feehan
Post by J. M. Colee
Hi Jeff,
I can give you my impression of the C111 versus the S-type 115 as I
recently
Post by jeff feehan
Post by J. M. Colee
replaced my C111 with the S-Type 115. I'm 6'0 and 160lbs.
I rode my C111 for the better part of three seasons at our lake and
ocean
Post by jeff feehan
Post by J. M. Colee
venues. The C111 is competent in small waves, ocean B&J and lake
blasting. I
Post by jeff feehan
Post by J. M. Colee
found the C111 easy to sail in a wide range of conditions with a three
fin
Post by jeff feehan
Post by J. M. Colee
quiver. The C111 is competent, playful and easy.
The S-Type is a bit more technical to ride, it's short and has a lot
less
Post by jeff feehan
Post by J. M. Colee
rocker than the C111. The nose can submarine while slogging if your not
paying attention. The S-Type is quicker to plane and it accelerates much
more quickly. The S-Type carries more speed through a wide arc jibe than
the
Post by jeff feehan
Post by J. M. Colee
C111 and it's a little less sensitive to clumsy foot work than the C111
which I find most refreshing (I'm a step jiber). The S-Type is not quite
as
Post by jeff feehan
Post by J. M. Colee
responsive to foot steering, even with the foot straps in-board. The
S-Type
Post by jeff feehan
Post by J. M. Colee
is better at turning a gust into speed and keeping that speed through a
lull. I feel like with the S-Type you get speed and acceleration at the
expense of some playfulness.
I'm riding Evo's in wave and B&J conditions now and they are super
playful
Post by jeff feehan
Post by J. M. Colee
so I went for the S-Type for my flat water blasting. I briefly
considered
Post by jeff feehan
Post by J. M. Colee
the Sonic but I was concerned about durability.
Hope this helps...
Mike
Post by Jeff aka shredulato
i weight 190 and sail mosly slalom conditions on lake superior,
anybody sailed one of these ???
comparison to carve and hypersonic.
i will be getting a starboard so comparos to other boards arent
necessary.
i have a formula 155 , as such i think i pass on the hyper line
Lucky
2005-04-20 17:51:04 UTC
Permalink
Jeff,

Where are you located? I live in Houghton and Sail Superior whenever
I'm here and never really get slalom conditions! Last year when I was
choosing a new board I chose to go with something right down the
middle; I chose a fast yet turny freeride board with a decent rocker.
In my case it was the Naish Supercross which I think is more comparable
to the Carve. I am more of a freeride sailor in a sense that I take
whatever is out there. Sometimes we'll get great swells, sometimes
I'll sail the canal and have excellent blasting, and sometimes we'll
have light winds and I'll do some sail trick near shore.

So for me, sailing in the same area and weighing exactly the same I
would go with the Carve. This was my second choice when I was buying
last year, I really enjoyed both the Supercross and the Carve but had
better access to Naish. But consider what type of sailor I am compared
to yourself. Sounds like you love to go fast and don't enjoy
jumps/tricks as much, right?...Or do you?

If I was doing it this year, I'd wait until the Aero came out. That
looks like the ticket for around here. In fact, it might be my next
board (Aero 127) if reviews look good and I get a chance to demo.

If you live in Michigan you might consider attending Windfest in Grand
Haven. You'll at least get a chance to slog around on those
boards.....

Good luck. If you live in my area we'll hook up for a run before I
leave in a couple of weeks!
Post by Jeff aka shredulato
i weight 190 and sail mosly slalom conditions on lake superior,
anybody sailed one of these ???
comparison to carve and hypersonic.
i will be getting a starboard so comparos to other boards arent
necessary.
i have a formula 155 , as such i think i pass on the hyper line
Jeff aka shredulato
2005-04-24 23:32:33 UTC
Permalink
Yo dude i am straight north, in Thunder Bay.
I am a starboard dealer but a small one and
as such do not stock all board types so I am looking for more info
from the good shredheads here.
i like jumping and carving gybes and the like, but being on the
heavier side at 190lbs a board that will plane up first in the size
range of 125 or so is good. a supercross board seems to fit the bill.
the hypersonic which i think is too one dimensional i have a formula
155, so if i just want to plane up and blast i can rig that.my other
boards are way small at under 100 litres.
i have the in between curse!!!! LOL.
the sonics look widestlye and but again more of a hypersonic twist.
the carves from what i see look old school shaped, not that that is
bad.
the s type takes the sonic up front and and mixes it with the carve
in the tail.
so i think ill check that ride out.
i rode wave only gear in maui dom rep costa-rica ,we do not find
those conditons here that much and as such it would not be a good idea
to go too wavy orientated. IMHO thats is.

winds we usually get at this side of the lake are thermal generated
side on shores with big starboard swells and blasting offshores frorm
the north and west with short port tack chop or just plain flat.
if a big east system comes thru we get waves BUT big easts usually
never get big enough, they tricj you into thinking its good as they
kick up alot of waves as the fetch across the bay to the east is
pretty long, and they bring cold ugly weather.
i dont travel much to sailing races and stuff, i used to years ago
down to the twin cities. the sailing here is just too good and close
to home.
i live 1/4 miles from a park, thats about 500 feet above the lake, and
has a good 250 degree view, like in duluth up top of the hill there.
if it looks like its kicking off or has already i go home and get
gear , if not, do some work and check in another 45 minutes. some
times ive gone 5 times and missed 30 minute window of thermal winds.
thats sucks.
happy sailing
jeff
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