105-110 Freestyle board recommendations?

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Alak

2007-03-21 07:36:24 UTC

Hi Guys,

I'm looking to buy a 105-110 L freestyle board to use in the San
Francisco Bay area. I'm still learning to jibe and I'm getting into
freestyle (old school for now). I'd like to be able to sail the board
in light wind as well as Bay chop. Am I asking too much for one
board?

Do you guys have recommendations or experiences with freestyle boards
that might work for me? Some of the boards I'm considering:

JP Freestyle 109
JP Freestyle Wave 109 (better for the Bay?)
Tabou Freestyle 110
Tabou 3S 107 (does it really work for freestyle? for chop?)
RRD Twintip 110

Thanks,
Alak.

r***@gmail.com

2007-03-21 08:31:15 UTC

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Hi Alak,

Maybe you can give us a better picture of you and where you sail (your
weight, intended sail sizes, sailing spots, etc...)

I can speak for the JPs (I work for them)

JP Freestyle 109: best for modern aerial freestyle. a great board
for flat water, not as good in heavy chop or waves. I myself use the
100 quite a bit (I'm 165lbs, advanced sailor into freestyle) at places
like Berkeley, Candlestick, Oyster Point, Palo Alto, Point Isabel, &
Larkspur. Occasionally at Crissy if the wind is light. Usually w/
4.7, 5.2, and 5.7... mostly 5.2. Awesome boards for flatter water

JP Freestyle Wave 109: This is a better bump and jump board as it has
more rocker, more vee, and a thinned out tail. This will give you
better control and smoothness through chop at the expense of raw
planing power and backwards sliding capapbilites of the freestyle
109. These boards turn really great and are pretty easy to jibe.
They also have more footstrap options than the freestyle boards giving
you more versatility if you want to put bigger sails and fins on
them. I myself use the 85 as my bread and butter board for SF Bay
when it's windy. This board really eats up chop like it's not there,
and so it's a popular choice among sailors who sail in difficult
conditions like Crissy, Third Ave, and Treasure Island. I've also
sailed the 93 quite a bit, and it's a good one board quiver for
sailors my size who are confident waterstarters.

Another board that I'd recommend would be the X-Cite Ride 110,
especially if you aren't jibing yet. These are the easiest boards in
the line to sail and have tons of stability. They aren't quite as
loose as the Freestyle Waves, but they plane off w/ least attention to
form, and track very well through the turns... a trait great for
learning to jibe as well as traditional carving freestyle. The
outboard strap setup on this board also lets you take advantage of
more freeride/freerace oriented sails and fins. I've had the 105 and
95 in the past and have found them to be really fun cruising machines
and really good jibers. Good boards for learning carving 360s,
backwinding, tacking, etc...

hope this helps!

kev

Post by Alak
Hi Guys,
I'm looking to buy a 105-110 L freestyle board to use in the San
Francisco Bay area. I'm still learning to jibe and I'm getting into
freestyle (old school for now). I'd like to be able to sail the board
in light wind as well as Bay chop. Am I asking too much for one
board?
Do you guys have recommendations or experiences with freestyle boards
JP Freestyle 109
JP Freestyle Wave 109 (better for the Bay?)
Tabou Freestyle 110
Tabou 3S 107 (does it really work for freestyle? for chop?)
RRD Twintip 110
Thanks,
Alak.

Michael

2007-03-21 16:05:14 UTC

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I weigh 165 lbs as well, and agree with Kev's first two comments. I
own and love the JP 109, and will also say that it's a great freeride
board if you never do anything but reach and jibe. SUPER early
planing. Loves to hold a carve. Wants to duckjibe (at least my board
wants me to duckjibe it.) In heavy chop the nose sticks a bit.
Also it is not an upwind machine. All of that being said I've never
sailed another board that lets me sail a 7.0 when others need 8
meters, or my 6.2 when everyond else is going 7.5.

I also am a fan of the Freestyle Wave, though it's not the trick board
that the 109 is. I own the 93.

I think X-Cite Rides are mediocre. For a general purpose freeride
board I'd be more inclined to go with something like a Starboard
Carve. I was A-Bing them in Aruba last month, and there was no
question as to which I found more friendly or easier to plane through
jibes on.

Michael (who owns two JP's, no Starboards)
http://www.peconicpuffin.com

Post by r***@gmail.com
Hi Alak,
Maybe you can give us a better picture of you and where you sail (your
weight, intended sail sizes, sailing spots, etc...)
I can speak for the JPs (I work for them)
JP Freestyle 109: best for modern aerial freestyle. a great board
for flat water, not as good in heavy chop or waves. I myself use the
100 quite a bit (I'm 165lbs, advanced sailor into freestyle) at places
like Berkeley, Candlestick, Oyster Point, Palo Alto, Point Isabel, &
Larkspur. Occasionally at Crissy if the wind is light. Usually w/
4.7, 5.2, and 5.7... mostly 5.2. Awesome boards for flatter water
JP Freestyle Wave 109: This is a better bump and jump board as it has
more rocker, more vee, and a thinned out tail. This will give you
better control and smoothness through chop at the expense of raw
planing power and backwards sliding capapbilites of the freestyle
109. These boards turn really great and are pretty easy to jibe.
They also have more footstrap options than the freestyle boards giving
you more versatility if you want to put bigger sails and fins on
them. I myself use the 85 as my bread and butter board for SF Bay
when it's windy. This board really eats up chop like it's not there,
and so it's a popular choice among sailors who sail in difficult
conditions like Crissy, Third Ave, and Treasure Island. I've also
sailed the 93 quite a bit, and it's a good one board quiver for
sailors my size who are confident waterstarters.
Another board that I'd recommend would be the X-Cite Ride 110,
especially if you aren't jibing yet. These are the easiest boards in
the line to sail and have tons of stability. They aren't quite as
loose as the Freestyle Waves, but they plane off w/ least attention to
form, and track very well through the turns... a trait great for
learning to jibe as well as traditional carving freestyle. The
outboard strap setup on this board also lets you take advantage of
more freeride/freerace oriented sails and fins. I've had the 105 and
95 in the past and have found them to be really fun cruising machines
and really good jibers. Good boards for learning carving 360s,
backwinding, tacking, etc...
hope this helps!
kev

Peter

2007-03-21 12:48:20 UTC

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Post by Alak
JP Freestyle 109
JP Freestyle Wave 109 (better for the Bay?)
Tabou Freestyle 110
Tabou 3S 107 (does it really work for freestyle? for chop?)
RRD Twintip 110

Not really an authoritative answer... but the best local 'freestylers'
stand by RRD Twintips. I've ordered one myself, but it's a bit too cold
yet to take it for a spin... will be able to provide more feedback in a
month or so...

Peter

Mamba

2007-03-21 18:42:18 UTC

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You didn't mention if you were looking a tnew or used boards, so I'll assume
current (or recent) models.

I recently spent a week at Vela Baja where I got to try the JP boards head
to head with Starboards. The JPs were nice and maybe a little corkier in
their respective sizings. They may have attributes that make them a better
freeride board, but if you're learning to jibe those same attributes may not
be optimal for you. While the JPs were a blast to sail, in turning and ease
of use I found the Starboards (Kombat) to be a lot more fun. My personal
sailing style doesn't include tricks, but lots of slashy turns and chop
hops.

I tried several board sizes from the mid-80 liter offerings to the 110 liter
range, switching between board lines with the same rigs. The only thing
that was out of control was the suitability of the fins on the boards - they
all had their stock fins supplied with the boards.

So don't rule out a Kombat if you can find one to test ride. At the same
time you might consider a Carve, a well proven board that is very
approachable. The 101 would have a little narrow tail, perhaps a good thing
in Bay chop?

m***@aol.com

2007-03-22 00:25:43 UTC

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My favorite is the 07 Mistral Joker, which should definetely be on the
list. The 06 was very nice as well but the 07 is much better for
sliding backwards. I weigh 165 lbs and have tried a bunch of
freestyle boards and am pretty good at the newschool tricks like
ponches, spocks, flakas, etc. The 07 joker is my favorite for it's
blend of really good sliding and comfort while sailing. I also like
the JP 100 which felt smaller under foot but doesn't slide quite as
long and is a little less stable than the Joker and the JP 109 is just
way too big for me. My second in line behind the Joker would be the
F2 Chilli. It's just like the Joker with a slightly ruffer ride in
chop, but for sliding tricks it's pretty sick too. The Joker, Chilli
and JP 100 plane up about the same time. The JP 109 might plane up a
bit faster but will be one hell of a handful when the wind picks up.

Hope this helps,

Mike Burns

Tsunami

2007-03-24 04:17:24 UTC

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Nobody has seemed to mention: if you are still learning to gybe, should
you get a freestyle board? I don't think so. Freestyle boards are very
specialist now and (especially as you are doing old skool freestyle which
can be done on any board), I think you would be much better to spend a
couple years more on a freeride board such as a Carve.
That way you will have the planing gybes down pat and can still start a
little bit of aerial freestyle like vulcans etc.
Then get the freestyle.

m***@aol.com

2007-03-24 15:09:30 UTC

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Post by Tsunami

m***@aol.com

2007-03-24 15:25:21 UTC

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Many people don't realize that it's not a necesity to learn old school
freestyle before the new scholl stuff. If you want to get into
freestyle down the line, it's never too early for a freestyle board.
One of my buddies started sailing a few years ago, bought an F2 Chilli
for his first shortboard and started trying willie skippers his second
season. Most freestyle boards are great for learning to jibe. You're
more centered on a freestyle board and don't need such a perfect
execution to come out with speed. One thing you need for many of the
newschool tricks is to have a good carve going in. One huge key with
a ponch for example is to keep carving with speed past dead down
wind. If you slow down your speed in the carve you'll never make it.
The board has to carve good. The Joker, Chilli, and JP 100 are all
great jibing boards from my experience on each.

Mike Burns

Post by Tsunami

John I

2007-03-25 10:23:26 UTC

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Post by m***@aol.com
Many people don't realize that it's not a necesity to learn old school
freestyle before the new scholl stuff. If you want to get into
freestyle down the line, it's never too early for a freestyle board.
One of my buddies started sailing a few years ago, bought an F2 Chilli
for his first shortboard and started trying willie skippers his second
season. Most freestyle boards are great for learning to jibe. You're
more centered on a freestyle board and don't need such a perfect
execution to come out with speed. One thing you need for many of the
newschool tricks is to have a good carve going in. One huge key with
a ponch for example is to keep carving with speed past dead down
wind. If you slow down your speed in the carve you'll never make it.
The board has to carve good. The Joker, Chilli, and JP 100 are all
great jibing boards from my experience on each.
Mike Burns

Post by Tsunami

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Seen some smashed up noses on squared off freestyle boards, esp. under
fairly new sailors. Tsunami nailed it. Plenty of more balanced free
rides to choose from that do freestyle moves just fine. Good luck in
your pursuit of a good board. Hard to go wrong in that size class
from the majors. Beware of geo-specific brands though, sometimes they
only work in a very specific type of wind condition. Kev has pointed
out the same thing.

So, here's my plug. Exocet Cross 106, or the rare used 102 (not many
are given up by the original owners.) Older Exo's if you find them
used or closeout: Compact Move 100, and Compact Carve 103. Good luck.
BTW, the most common jibing problem is people flip their sail to
late...

Alak

2007-03-27 06:34:22 UTC

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Hi Guys,

Thanks for all the very informative responses! I probably should have
done this sooner, as Kev suggested, but let give you more info about
myself (and maybe a good laugh for all you expert sailors).

I'm about 84 kg and I've been sailing a Tabou Rocket 140 freeride
board for the last year and a half. This board is very easy to sail
and planes with nothing. I highly recommend the Rocket series for
freeride. I have put all kinds of sails and fins on this board. I am
exclusively using NeilPryde sails: Expression 5.7, Expression 6.5,
Saber 7.7, V8 9.0. For fins: 34 cm True Ames sweep with my
Expressions, 48 cm Tabou freeride for larger sails. I even bought a
51 cm Santa Barbara weed fin that if nothing else is a great
conversation piece (I call it "Sharky"). It is a monster but it works
great with large sails.

I did my time with some old boards so here are some other boards that
I have sailed:
Mistral SST Competition
Mistral Malibu - old board but still great, beats others in subplaning
conditions
F2 Xantos 295 (eventually learned to ride it but everything is just
hard on this board)
Starboard Carve 121 (my friend's board, I'm comfortable on this)

I did try the JP Freestyle 109 board (FWS) at a recent ABK clinic and
it's surprisingly easy to use. Doesn't feel as small as the volume
suggests.

My Training: Started a couple of years ago. Have done 2 courses and 3
ABK clinics (I highly recommend these clinics to any and all
sailors). I consider myself an intermediate sailor.

Stuff I can do:
==========

High-Wind:
----------------
Comfortable planing in the harness and footstraps on all boards. I am
pretty sure I am past the nose smashing phase now. I did go through
my share of board repairs. Tacking is my bread and butter turning
technique and I'm good at it. I have attempted jibes and have made a
couple (maybe lucky). Jibing is definitely one of my immediate goals
for high wind (but it is not my only sailing goal).

Light-Wind Freestyle (Expression sails and 34 cm sweep fin)
------------------------------
-Leeward sailing (regular and clew-first)
-Leeward sailing back to sail on a longboard
-Regular tack and pivot jibe
-Heli-tack
-Push-tack
-backwind jibe
-upwind 360
-Sail and body 360
-Fin-first sailing (including tack and pivot jibe)
-Fin-first-clew first
-Sailing without a fin (figured I better learn this as a survival
skill)

Some Goals:
-------------------
Keep working on more advanced light-wind techniques and more fin-first
tricks. I think fin-first is where the freestyle boards really show
their advantage. For high wind, I do want to learn some carving
tricks, including high-wind versions of some of my light-wind tacks.
I would like to learn chop-hopping and maybe start getting into some
sliding manoevres if that is possible at my stage. Maybe a loop or
two while I still have the guts. I have heard that it isn't necessary
to know how to carve jibe to do some of these tricks. Maybe you guys
can correct me on this.

Places I sail in the SF Bay area:
-----------------------------------------------
Main places (feels choppy for freestyle): Coyote Point, Third Ave.,
Palo Alto
Light Wind: Shoreline Park
Sometimes: Candlestick

Back to the Boards:
==============
Several of you suggested additional boards to consider and I will also
look into these. Here is a more complete list now with the commenters
in brackets:

My Original List:
------------------------
JP Freestyle 109 (Kev, Michael)
JP Freestyle Wave 109 (Kev, Michael)
Tabou Freestyle 110 (no comments?)
Tabou 3S 107 (no comments?)
RRD Twintip 110 (Peter)

You Guys Added:
--------------------------
JP Excite Ride 110 (Kev)
Starboard Carve (Michael, Mamba, Tsunami)
Starboard Kombat (Mamba)
Mistral Joker (Mike)
F2 Chilli (Mike)
Exocet Cross 102 (John)
Exocet Compact Move 100 (John)
Exocet Compact Carve 103 (John)

I should mention that I have no intention of giving up my Tabout
Rocket 140 board. That board is amazing and will continue to be my
jibing practice board. Having said that, this huge board is not for
jumping, high wind or chop. I have used it in those conditions and
have done my share of survival sailing (@ Sherman Island). I'm
looking for something smaller that can handle higher winds and the
choppy conditions that we see in the bay sailing spots like Coyote,
Third Ave., and Palo Alto. I figured that any smaller board will be
much more comfortable than this board for starters and because I am
leaning heavily towards freestyle sailing, why not get a freestyle
board?

Some of you have essentially recommended that I shouldn't buy a
freestyle board at this stage because I'm still learning how to jibe.
My understanding from your comments is that a crossover board might be
a better choice for me. Mike had the other point of view that I can
still learn to jibe on the freestyle board while also getting into
some of the tricks.

Again, I really appreciate all of the feedback all of you have given
me about all these boards. Maybe you'll have more comments based on
all the additional detail that I've provide or maybe this is all just
TMI. In any case, I'll continue to watch for more comments and
discussion so that I can make a better decision.

Thanks!
Alak.

m***@aol.com

2007-03-28 22:29:54 UTC

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The main difference between good freestyle boards, and freeride boards
is speed. it doesn't sound like you want to be a racer, so speed
shouldn't be in the picture. The right freestyle board will give you
a huge advantage in the sliding tricks though. if you're going the
freestyle direction, why get a freeride board you're just going to
sell next year to buy a freestyle board anyway. You know what
direction you're going in, it shouldn't even be a question. I've only
tried the 4 boards I mentioned before for extended periods of time
(Joker, Chilli, JP109 and 100). C can't really comment on the others
you had listed, but a certain pro in boanire said that the 07 RRD felt
very sticky compared to the board he was used to.

Hope this helps.

Mike Burns

Post by Alak
Hi Guys,
Thanks for all the very informative responses! I probably should have
done this sooner, as Kev suggested, but let give you more info about
myself (and maybe a good laugh for all you expert sailors).
I'm about 84 kg and I've been sailing a Tabou Rocket 140 freeride
board for the last year and a half. This board is very easy to sail
and planes with nothing. I highly recommend the Rocket series for
freeride. I have put all kinds of sails and fins on this board. I am
exclusively using NeilPryde sails: Expression 5.7, Expression 6.5,
Saber 7.7, V8 9.0. For fins: 34 cm True Ames sweep with my
Expressions, 48 cm Tabou freeride for larger sails. I even bought a
51 cm Santa Barbara weed fin that if nothing else is a great
conversation piece (I call it "Sharky"). It is a monster but it works
great with large sails.
I did my time with some old boards so here are some other boards that
Mistral SST Competition
Mistral Malibu - old board but still great, beats others in subplaning
conditions
F2 Xantos 295 (eventually learned to ride it but everything is just
hard on this board)
Starboard Carve 121 (my friend's board, I'm comfortable on this)
I did try the JP Freestyle 109 board (FWS) at a recent ABK clinic and
it's surprisingly easy to use. Doesn't feel as small as the volume
suggests.
My Training: Started a couple of years ago. Have done 2 courses and 3
ABK clinics (I highly recommend these clinics to any and all
sailors). I consider myself an intermediate sailor.
==========
----------------
Comfortable planing in the harness and footstraps on all boards. I am
pretty sure I am past the nose smashing phase now. I did go through
my share of board repairs. Tacking is my bread and butter turning
technique and I'm good at it. I have attempted jibes and have made a
couple (maybe lucky). Jibing is definitely one of my immediate goals
for high wind (but it is not my only sailing goal).
Light-Wind Freestyle (Expression sails and 34 cm sweep fin)
------------------------------
-Leeward sailing (regular and clew-first)
-Leeward sailing back to sail on a longboard
-Regular tack and pivot jibe
-Heli-tack
-Push-tack
-backwind jibe
-upwind 360
-Sail and body 360
-Fin-first sailing (including tack and pivot jibe)
-Fin-first-clew first
-Sailing without a fin (figured I better learn this as a survival
skill)
-------------------
Keep working on more advanced light-wind techniques and more fin-first
tricks. I think fin-first is where the freestyle boards really show
their advantage. For high wind, I do want to learn some carving
tricks, including high-wind versions of some of my light-wind tacks.
I would like to learn chop-hopping and maybe start getting into some
sliding manoevres if that is possible at my stage. Maybe a loop or
two while I still have the guts. I have heard that it isn't necessary
to know how to carve jibe to do some of these tricks. Maybe you guys
can correct me on this.
-----------------------------------------------
Main places (feels choppy for freestyle): Coyote Point, Third Ave.,
Palo Alto
Light Wind: Shoreline Park
Sometimes: Candlestick
==============
Several of you suggested additional boards to consider and I will also
look into these. Here is a more complete list now with the commenters
------------------------
JP Freestyle 109 (Kev, Michael)
JP Freestyle Wave 109 (Kev, Michael)
Tabou Freestyle 110 (no comments?)
Tabou 3S 107 (no comments?)
RRD Twintip 110 (Peter)
--------------------------
JP Excite Ride 110 (Kev)
Starboard Carve (Michael, Mamba, Tsunami)
Starboard Kombat (Mamba)
Mistral Joker (Mike)
F2 Chilli (Mike)
Exocet Cross 102 (John)
Exocet Compact Move 100 (John)
Exocet Compact Carve 103 (John)
I should mention that I have no intention of giving up my Tabout
Rocket 140 board. That board is amazing and will continue to be my
jibing practice board. Having said that, this huge board is not for
jumping, high wind or chop. I have used it in those conditions and
looking for something smaller that can handle higher winds and the
choppy conditions that we see in the bay sailing spots like Coyote,
Third Ave., and Palo Alto. I figured that any smaller board will be
much more comfortable than this board for starters and because I am
leaning heavily towards freestyle sailing, why not get a freestyle
board?
Some of you have essentially recommended that I shouldn't buy a
freestyle board at this stage because I'm still learning how to jibe.
My understanding from your comments is that a crossover board might be
a better choice for me. Mike had the other point of view that I can
still learn to jibe on the freestyle board while also getting into
some of the tricks.
Again, I really appreciate all of the feedback all of you have given
me about all these boards. Maybe you'll have more comments based on
all the additional detail that I've provide or maybe this is all just
TMI. In any case, I'll continue to watch for more comments and
discussion so that I can make a better decision.
Thanks!
Alak.

r***@gmail.com

2007-03-29 07:45:05 UTC

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go for a freestyle board... it sounds like that's the direction your
sailing is going, so it would be a great fit.

A lot of people ask about freestyle boards, but then want to ride them
w/ outboard straps and pointer fins... they just wanted the compact
outline of a freestlye board. I think this happened a lot in the past
when not all boards had compact outlines.

anyway, you should get in touch w/ me and sail w/ us sometime. we
have a fun bunch of guys (and a couple girls) who are trying
freestyle, and it's fun to sail w/ people who are crashing all the
time. we sail berkeley, pt. isabel, candlestick, and TI a lot...
although w/ the TI closure, we'll probably spend more time this year
at the stick and 3rd. also have had some really fun days at oyster
point.

kev

Alak

2007-04-03 06:34:28 UTC

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Post by m***@aol.com
The main difference between good freestyle boards, and freeride boards
is speed. it doesn't sound like you want to be a racer, so speed
shouldn't be in the picture. The right freestyle board will give you
a huge advantage in the sliding tricks though. if you're going the
freestyle direction, why get a freeride board you're just going to
sell next year to buy a freestyle board anyway. You know what
direction you're going in, it shouldn't even be a question. I've only
tried the 4 boards I mentioned before for extended periods of time
(Joker, Chilli, JP109 and 100). C can't really comment on the others
you had listed, but a certain pro in boanire said that the 07 RRD felt
very sticky compared to the board he was used to.
Hope this helps.
Mike Burns
go for a freestyle board... it sounds like that's the direction your
sailing is going, so it would be a great fit.
A lot of people ask about freestyle boards, but then want to ride them
w/ outboard straps and pointer fins... they just wanted the compact
outline of a freestlye board. I think this happened a lot in the past
when not all boards had compact outlines.
anyway, you should get in touch w/ me and sail w/ us sometime. we
have a fun bunch of guys (and a couple girls) who are trying
freestyle, and it's fun to sail w/ people who are crashing all the
time. we sail berkeley, pt. isabel, candlestick, and TI a lot...
although w/ the TI closure, we'll probably spend more time this year
at the stick and 3rd. also have had some really fun days at oyster
point.
kev
I'd try the RRD 109 FSW. I know Isthmus (www.isthmussailboards.com)
has them. Super fun board, nice in the waves and not as high strung as
the JP counterparts.

Thanks guys for the followup recommendations about going with the
freestyle board. I found a 2006 JP Freestyle 109 (FWS) on sale at a
local shop and bought their last one this weekend. All the reviews I
have gotten so far about this board have been good. Price was a bit
of a factor too and I was hoping to get a deal on a closeout board.
BTW David I didn't find the RRD 109 board that you mentioned.

I tried it at Shoreline (flat water and light wind) so far to get used
to it. So far it's been a fun board and not too hard to sail at all.
It's very loose and spins on a dime. Great for quick manoevres. The
stock 28cm JP freestyle fin did just fine for going upwind. I thought
that the board wouldn't go well upwind because when I tried it at the
ABK clinic they had a 21cm MFC Stone Style Master fin on it. Had to
struggle with that one to get back upwind to the launch.

Tried some fin-first sailing and it's quite easy to control. I'll
need a little more practice to get back all of my moves but I can tell
I'm going to have a lot of fun with this board. I think I bought the
right size for my weight and ability. I'll take it out on the bay in
my next few sessions to see how it does in higher wind and light chop.

Kev, we mostly sail the South Bay spots but I'll give you a shout if
we head up for some city sailing. Haven't sailed up there in a while
and I haven't done anything but Candlestick so far. Crissy is one of
those spots that makes me nervous but maybe I shouldn't be so worried
about it. I just have the impression from what I've read that it is
one of the most dangerous spots to sail in the Bay area (SFBA,
iWindsurf).

Talk to you all soon,
Alak.

D***@gmail.com

2007-03-29 21:11:56 UTC

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I'd try the RRD 109 FSW. I know Isthmus (www.isthmussailboards.com)
has them. Super fun board, nice in the waves and not as high strung as
the JP counterparts.