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mistral screamer 105 lts
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r***@ozemail.com.au
2005-12-01 00:23:29 UTC
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any problems or thoughts? good board/bad board ?
water-ratt
2005-12-01 13:58:32 UTC
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Post by r***@ozemail.com.au
any problems or thoughts? good board/bad board ?
It was a great board, now probably a good board. Very fast, easy to
jibe, user friendly. i sailed the stuffing out of my board {literally}
the deck became soft from jumping every piece of chop i could find
(sometimes i even got the fin out of the water ;-). While it was good
in the surf, its nose was a little flat for wave sailing. I'm 180lbs
and uphauled it w/o any problems. The recessed fin screw is great,
especially with frozen hands, and the fin is top notch. Felt a little
big with under a 4.5 and can handle an 8.0 though not too well, so it
has great range.

There are better boards now. i upgraded to a Naish Titan (109ltrs) the
first year it came out and now have a Quatro 140 and a Mistral Heat.

Hope this helps.

bob pratt
the water-ratt
in the frozen north (Great Lakes)
a***@yahoo.com
2005-12-01 17:24:34 UTC
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I assume you're talking about the original Screamer (there was a
Screamer II that came out in the mid-90's - definitely an upgrade over
the original). The original Screamer was a late 80's design. Worked
great at the time - it and the Sunset Slalom were the standards of the
day, and zillions of people have fond memories of them.

While it was a great board at the time (very reasonable compromise of
speed, acceleration, easy jibing, and friendly ride), that niche
(freeride boards around 100 liters) has evolved dramatically. Anything
you can find from, say, the mid-90's on in that group (such as the
aforementioned Screamer II) will, for one, work better with today's
rigs (that's because the very forward mast base on the original will
make it hard to trim out a modern sail on it). And in terms of
performance and usability, the more modern boards will simply blow the
old one out of the water as soon as you're dealing with more than just
a ripple on the water (in dead flat water, that old Screamer will be
remarkably good still).

Don't know what kind of deal you're getting on it. I'd just suggest
that for a few hundred dollars, you'll be able to find something much
more recent, with higher performance and better construction (if that
Screamer has seen even occasional continued use over its life, it must
be getting pretty soft by now). Browse the online classifieds and see
what's out there. A Screamer II or F2 Ride 278 (both just over 100
liters) will be good candidates; a Bic Techno 273 should also fit the
bill. Starboard Carves around 100 liters, if you're going for something
a little more recent.

Andreas
r***@gmail.com
2005-12-01 18:45:24 UTC
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To the original poster,

You are going to have to be a little more specific as to which board
you are referring. What year are we talking about. Mistral has made
several generations of screamers. The Screamer disappeared from the
Mistral lineup in the late 90s, but made a reappearance in ~2003, and
they are still being offered by Mistral.

When the Screamer was reintroduced, I sailed the 105 at the North
Sports dealer meeting in 2002 and was not a fan (felt like a clunky
120l Techno, instead of a fast nimble 105l board), although I'm sure
the shape has been refined over the last few years. Mistrals now come
w/ really nice fittings (straps, pads, dunno about the fins), so if you
like the shape, go for it.

What are you looking for in a board?

kev
LeeD
2005-12-01 20:00:01 UTC
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Kev....
Funny ding.....
Original '89 Screamer still sailed by MeriDeth at Cal Sailing.
'04 Model sailed by Eloise and CandlestickJohn
r***@gmail.com
2005-12-01 20:13:59 UTC
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LeeD

dood, what the hell are you doing lurking on rec. right now? go
sailing!!!!! it's windy!!!!! (i would be sailing, but i'm on the DL
right now).

Who is Candlestick John? Can't place the name w/ the face right now.

kev
s***@seattletimes.com
2005-12-01 20:23:46 UTC
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As mentioned above, it depends on whether you're talking old or new.
The old ones sailed well, but I did not like dugout deck. There would
be times when I'd be trying to get a toegrip on a surface that was
sloping away from me--not real easy with wet bare feet.

I haven't seen a new model, but the dimensions seem a little funky to
me. 253 cm long, 64 cm wide, that's rather squat. I was considering a
Josh Angulo board of similar dimensions, until a guy at the shop said
it was more for "mushy, junky European waves." I guess it depends on
what conditions you'll be using it in.
red
2005-12-01 21:58:05 UTC
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the board is the 2003 screamer
Post by r***@ozemail.com.au
any problems or thoughts? good board/bad board ?
LeeD
2005-12-02 02:07:10 UTC
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'03 is the third gen....
Thick, blocky, kinda like a spoon nose.
Poster 7, you rode the second gen, around '96 model
First generation came out in '87, lasted till '91 or a little past,
long, skinny, gunny, narrow tail and really thin rails, a great powered
up jiber.
Kev, Candlestick John is the older guy (just retired) driving usually
a gray pickup, gets to Berkeley early, sails for couple hours just
barely planing no matter how powered he is, going REALLY slow, slower
than anyone we know........a Russian tennis player living in ElCerrito
and used to work in SBay...
Yeah, 4.7, Stinger, just about right overall, Isabelle mentioned you
were injured. WTF??
r***@gmail.com
2005-12-02 04:22:33 UTC
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Yep,

I'm on the DL (disabled list) right now. I have a pinched nerve in my
neck, and my left arm is getting all this pain and weird sensations.
Anybody in the area (or LA) know of a good doc/neurologist? I've been
getting some massage therapy and accupuncture, and I have good days and
bad days. Sux, cuz the surf conditions were so epic the last few
weeks, and all I could do was watch. :-( (trolling for sympathy)

Don't recognize your description of Candlestick John. What sails does
he use?

kev
LeeD
2005-12-02 05:56:11 UTC
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Well, I only got one day, watched on Friday. Sloat was solid, used
my 8' Plum semi gun.....
He's a mix....old Diablo 6.7 that broke, GaastraRemedy 6.5, some
older Gaastra 5.5, has a green 115 Flow and the white Screamer, usually
sticking outta the back of his pickup. Maybe a Loft 5.9.
Shorter than me, 59 years old, Russian guy.
shredulato
2005-12-03 13:17:15 UTC
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those old original shapes were nice boards, especially if you had that
much more breeze, and when you could plane up on them.
two guys locally still own them and take them out in high winds.
however they seem to have a narrow range of use, not unlike old style
sails. a modern design with the same 105 litre volume will act like a
totally different animal.
i was on an old style seatrend this summer as the fellow using it was
having difficulty. he got on my not as old but still vintage tiga and
had a better time.
the seatrend exibited the same feature of an old style shortboard like
the screamer.
most of the width and volume in the front of the board. width board
thickness and volume under front foot and especialy the back foot was
lacking.
But it like the screamer gybed beautiful with the narrow low volume
tail.
they didnt suffer fools gladly as the big front end wit all the volume
would round up quick postmanuver, and made waterstart harder for the
newbie.
LeeD
2005-12-03 18:30:14 UTC
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Question of skill level, Shredulato...
I ride the old boards all the time, since my "glory" years were from
'87-'90.
Screamer is super easy to ride, if you have 13-25mph breezes.
Currently ride a STINGER for my biggest board! I'm 153 lbs with
wetsuit, use it from 6 meters down to 4.7.
A Screamer old '87 vintage is best for 5-7 meter sails.
If you can't jibe, you need more practice, not a newer board.
shredulato
2005-12-03 19:26:10 UTC
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" If you can't jibe, you need more practice, not a newer board. " thats
obvious.

"Question of skill level," true as well ... bu again, the old boards
like the 105 screamer and the seatrend ATV i sailed , had a shape more
like the surfboards they evolved out of, thin narrow tails, the
volume forward was just designed in to make them... schlog better...
which they dont do well . But, they were great gybers . They are not in
my opinion better all around sailing hulls. But as you suggested with
a higher skill set you can sail them and have heaps of fun more fun in
my opinion then some of the newer shapes( not all ). AS LONG AS YOU
HAVE LOTS OF POWER. but they will not plane up as easily, due to the
nature of the hull design.
shred
LeeD
2005-12-03 22:28:07 UTC
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Yeah, you're right....
Funny thing too.
I have a Seatrend ATV 8'9"er that I also rotate in once in a while as
my lightwind board.
That one is wide and thick tail, mast base back, long skinny high
nose.
But where I live, normal wind all spring/summer/fall is 5.5 weather,
and well powered at that, so my point of view is askewed.

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