Windsurfing has NOT been cancelled

[Glenn Woodell]

I see Trip Foreman and his cronies at Real Kiteboarding in Hatteras
are still up to their attempts to cause rivalry between windsurfers
and kiters.

While I was at WindFest Hatteras, a couple of guys from Real were
passing out kiting literature and a DVD. I saved mine for a neighbor
who is pretty new to kiting. While I showing him what I had for him I
noticed one of Trip's famous "Windsurfing has been cancelled" stickers
inside. These are the stickers which have showed up in the past,
afixed to some windsurfer vehicles without owners' permission.

I encourage anyone who is interested in kiting to give it a try BUT I
discourage anyone from doing business with Real. There are other
sources for kiting gear and fine instruction along the outer banks of
North Carolina beside Real Kiteboarding.

Hatteras is one place where kiters and windsurfers coexist peacefully
despite Trip's very public efforts to cause rivalry.

Glenn

[l***@mindspring.com]

Saw one stuck on the outer wall of one of the windsurfing shops as
well. Peeled it off, wadded it up and deposited it in the nearest
dumpster.

IMHO, windsurfing is better off without people who would distribute
such garbage.

Charles Livaudais

[marc rosen]

Post by Glenn Woodell
I see Trip Foreman and his cronies at Real Kiteboarding in Hatteras
are still up to their attempts to cause rivalry between windsurfers
and kiters.
While I was at WindFest Hatteras, a couple of guys from Real were
passing out kiting literature and a DVD. I saved mine for a neighbor
who is pretty new to kiting. While I showing him what I had for him I
noticed one of Trip's famous "Windsurfing has been cancelled"

stickers

Post by Glenn Woodell
inside. These are the stickers which have showed up in the past,
afixed to some windsurfer vehicles without owners' permission.
I encourage anyone who is interested in kiting to give it a try BUT I
discourage anyone from doing business with Real. There are other
sources for kiting gear and fine instruction along the outer banks of
North Carolina beside Real Kiteboarding.
Hatteras is one place where kiters and windsurfers coexist peacefully
despite Trip's very public efforts to cause rivalry.
Glenn

Hey Glenn,
Just give 'em enough rope - or razor sharp line (you get the picture)-
and they'll hang 'emselves sooner than later.
Marc

[windmtn pete]

don't know about Hatteras, but gorge windsurfing has been canceled this
season, as well as kiting. Not much wind in this here ditch these
days. The future here in the gorge is all about the sport of Zorbing:

http://zorb.com/main.html

Imagine..... bouncing down a fish ladder. Or how zorbing down Wind
Mounatin....!! What an adrenaline rush, man !!!

-- Pete

[wsurfn]

I saw the stickers last year. The Real Kiteboarding website and
marketing dept. is formidable. They have 2 people in the shop just
working on the website. I wish they were into windsurfing as well
promoting the sport. My brother lives in Singapore where the winds are
pretty light. He is big time into kiteboarding now. He bought a Jimmy
Lewis Kiteboard from them this weekend. He brought me back a sticker as
a joke. I threw it in the trash can.

Hatteras is an ideal place for kiteboarding. Long downwinders along the
coast or sound with a friend to pick you up, or hitchhite back. They
only need a few inches of water depth.

Visually it is beautiful from land to see 30+ kites in the water at
once. They plane in less wind compared to non-formula windsurfing. They
apparently get hairy in a stong breeze. I suspect technology will catch
up eventually.

BTW, I brought my laptop to Hatteras to get weather info from
iwindsurf. I have cable at home, but have dial-up access from Time
Warner. While it worked well last year, this year it was not working.
It turned out they updated the software, and I needed the new software.
I have a wireless card, so I just needed to find a hot spot. Real has
one in Rodanthe and I was staying in Waves. So, I told them I needed a
hat anyway, so I asked if I bought a hat, could I log on long enough to
download the software. They wanted to charge me for both. Man, the
blonde girl in there was rude. I was so pissed I drove to Java Junction
in Avon to get it taken care of. I will never set foot in there again
for that reason, not the sticker.

[g***@yahoo.com]

I can plan on my formula board with an 11.0 long before any kiteboarder
with 20 can get going. Formula is great for light air, plus to my
knowledge knowbody has been killed on Formula in light air. In heavy
air its a different ballgame but in the light stuff it is so much. Plus
if you get tired you can take a nap on your board!

George

[Glenn Woodell]

It was time for a new splash screen for my website anyway...
http://www.windvisions.com

Glenn

On Sun, 08 May 2005 19:05:04 -0400, Glenn Woodell

Post by Glenn Woodell
I see Trip Foreman and his cronies at Real Kiteboarding in Hatteras
are still up to their attempts to cause rivalry between windsurfers
and kiters.
While I was at WindFest Hatteras, a couple of guys from Real were
passing out kiting literature and a DVD. I saved mine for a neighbor
who is pretty new to kiting. While I showing him what I had for him I
noticed one of Trip's famous "Windsurfing has been cancelled" stickers
inside. These are the stickers which have showed up in the past,
afixed to some windsurfer vehicles without owners' permission.
I encourage anyone who is interested in kiting to give it a try BUT I
discourage anyone from doing business with Real. There are other
sources for kiting gear and fine instruction along the outer banks of
North Carolina beside Real Kiteboarding.
Hatteras is one place where kiters and windsurfers coexist peacefully
despite Trip's very public efforts to cause rivalry.
Glenn

[wsurfn]

Glenn:

Have you talked with Trip or is just the sticker that has you pissed??

Aren't you friends with Dana Miller? He and Trip used to be windsurfing
buddies in the 80's, right? What is his take?

I see no reason we all can't get along. Kiteboarding has its pluses and
minuses. It is a newer sport and has a edgier vibe. Time will tell how
it does longterm (I suspect just fine). I agree the marketing of the
sticker is a little classless.

Mark

[Glenn Woodell]

I wrote Trip and this was some of his reply:

"It was more for the
people who crossed over from windsurfing to kiteboarding (thus freeing
themselves from the tortuous wait in between good sessions) and wanted to
share their excitement with the world."

and

"Although in action, windsurfing has been cancelled for
me..."

Post by wsurfn
Have you talked with Trip or is just the sticker that has you pissed??
Aren't you friends with Dana Miller? He and Trip used to be windsurfing
buddies in the 80's, right? What is his take?

That's a good question. I'll see whathe has to say about it.

Post by wsurfn
I see no reason we all can't get along. Kiteboarding has its pluses and
minuses. It is a newer sport and has a edgier vibe. Time will tell how
it does longterm (I suspect just fine). I agree the marketing of the
sticker is a little classless.

That's my only point.

Glenn

[Craig Goudie]

The subject slogan should make for some fine stickers
with which to supplant the Forman stickers.

Other potential candidates:

"Kite Boardering, selected OUT of the sports gene pool "
"Kite Boarders, fukenkooken"
"Death is Cool"

or my fave

"Contribute to the Kite boarding widows and orphans fund"

These ought to get me and my Kite some extra space ;*)

-Craig

Post by Glenn Woodell
"It was more for the
people who crossed over from windsurfing to kiteboarding (thus freeing
themselves from the tortuous wait in between good sessions) and wanted to
share their excitement with the world."
and
"Although in action, windsurfing has been cancelled for
me..."

Post by wsurfn
Have you talked with Trip or is just the sticker that has you pissed??
Aren't you friends with Dana Miller? He and Trip used to be windsurfing
buddies in the 80's, right? What is his take?

That's a good question. I'll see whathe has to say about it.

Post by wsurfn
I see no reason we all can't get along. Kiteboarding has its pluses and
minuses. It is a newer sport and has a edgier vibe. Time will tell how
it does longterm (I suspect just fine). I agree the marketing of the
sticker is a little classless.

That's my only point.
Glenn

[WARDOG]

Craig Goudie wrote:

"Kite Boarders, fukenkooken"

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WARDOG
http://surfingsports.com

Post by Craig Goudie
The subject slogan should make for some fine stickers
with which to supplant the Forman stickers.
"Kite Boardering, selected OUT of the sports gene pool "
"Kite Boarders, fukenkooken"
"Death is Cool"
or my fave
"Contribute to the Kite boarding widows and orphans fund"
These ought to get me and my Kite some extra space ;*)
-Craig

Post by Glenn Woodell
"It was more for the
people who crossed over from windsurfing to kiteboarding (thus freeing
themselves from the tortuous wait in between good sessions) and wanted to
share their excitement with the world."
and
"Although in action, windsurfing has been cancelled for
me..."

Post by wsurfn
Have you talked with Trip or is just the sticker that has you pissed??
Aren't you friends with Dana Miller? He and Trip used to be windsurfing
buddies in the 80's, right? What is his take?

That's a good question. I'll see whathe has to say about it.

Post by wsurfn
I see no reason we all can't get along. Kiteboarding has its pluses and
minuses. It is a newer sport and has a edgier vibe. Time will tell how
it does longterm (I suspect just fine). I agree the marketing of the
sticker is a little classless.

That's my only point.
Glenn

[Cliff Frost]

Glenn Woodell <***@null.larc.nasa.gov> wrote:
...

Post by Glenn Woodell

Post by wsurfn
it does longterm (I suspect just fine). I agree the marketing of the
sticker is a little classless.

That's my only point.
Glenn

I think your (and our) best bet is simply to ignore Trip's Trip. He's
creating his own karma with that behavior, and ultimately he has to live
with himself, and (insert your favorite cliche here)...

Or, to put it another way, I think it's best to stay away from tar-babies
rather than try to punch them.

Cheers,
Cliff

[m--newsguy]

I'm no fan of a rivalry, and think kiting is kind of dumb...looks like
waterskiing to me...but I would point out for Trip Forman's overall
reputation that this is a guy who spent years promoting windsurfing
full bore. Read the story of the King of the Cape (recently posted
here when it was noted that there wouldn't be on this year) and see how
Trip helped get that outstanding event going. I've got memories of
him on tour doing free clinics, and being the guy who would actually
offer help beyond telling you to buy his sponsor's gear.

The thing we as windsurfers need is a good comeback to that mediocre
"cancelled" slag.

-Michael

[GWood]

Kiteboarding : trolling for big fish...

Post by m--newsguy
The thing we as windsurfers need is a good comeback to that mediocre
"cancelled" slag.

[John Sitka]

It's a bunch of lines, windsurfing.is REAL.

Post by m--newsguy
I'm no fan of a rivalry, and think kiting is kind of dumb...looks like
waterskiing to me...but I would point out for Trip Forman's overall
reputation that this is a guy who spent years promoting windsurfing
full bore. Read the story of the King of the Cape (recently posted
here when it was noted that there wouldn't be on this year) and see how
Trip helped get that outstanding event going. I've got memories of
him on tour doing free clinics, and being the guy who would actually
offer help beyond telling you to buy his sponsor's gear.
The thing we as windsurfers need is a good comeback to that mediocre
"cancelled" slag.
-Michael

[(PeteCresswell)]

Post by m--newsguy
I would point out for Trip Forman's overall
reputation that this is a guy who spent years promoting windsurfing
full bore.

Looks to me like he's promoting kiting just as full bore.

To wit, I stopped in his place a couple years back and was assured that after 90
minutes of instruction that I'd be able to handle *anything* that came up
kitewise on land...and after another 90 minutes anything that came up on the
water.

Didn't ask about the power lines by Emily's....but I bet they had an answer...

[Glenn Woodell]

Post by (PeteCresswell)

Post by m--newsguy
I would point out for Trip Forman's overall
reputation that this is a guy who spent years promoting windsurfing
full bore.

Looks to me like he's promoting kiting just as full bore.
To wit, I stopped in his place a couple years back and was assured that after 90
minutes of instruction that I'd be able to handle *anything* that came up
kitewise on land...and after another 90 minutes anything that came up on the
water.

Does that include picnic tables and parked cars?

Glenn

[(PeteCresswell)]

Post by Glenn Woodell

Post by (PeteCresswell)
To wit, I stopped in his place a couple years back and was assured that after 90
minutes of instruction that I'd be able to handle *anything* that came up
kitewise on land...and after another 90 minutes anything that came up on the
water.

Does that include picnic tables and parked cars?

My guess is that it's all-inclusive: high-rise buildings, fences, power lines,
trees. The guy must be an authentic genious...-)

[koolpaws]

either or is such a bore
let's just split the difference
you go your way
I'll go my way
around your broken body
lying crushed on shore

ray in toronto

Post by (PeteCresswell)

Post by Glenn Woodell

Post by (PeteCresswell)
To wit, I stopped in his place a couple years back and was assured that after 90
minutes of instruction that I'd be able to handle *anything* that came up
kitewise on land...and after another 90 minutes anything that came up on the
water.

Does that include picnic tables and parked cars?

My guess is that it's all-inclusive: high-rise buildings, fences, power lines,
trees. The guy must be an authentic genious...-)
--
PeteCresswell

[Paul Braunbehrens]

Well....we could go with

Kitesurfers have been cancelled

But it's a bit morbid.

Post by m--newsguy
I'm no fan of a rivalry, and think kiting is kind of dumb...looks like
waterskiing to me...but I would point out for Trip Forman's overall
reputation that this is a guy who spent years promoting windsurfing
full bore. Read the story of the King of the Cape (recently posted
here when it was noted that there wouldn't be on this year) and see how
Trip helped get that outstanding event going. I've got memories of
him on tour doing free clinics, and being the guy who would actually
offer help beyond telling you to buy his sponsor's gear.
The thing we as windsurfers need is a good comeback to that mediocre
"cancelled" slag.
-Michael

[gungadin]

Heres a sticker.

Kitesurfer - A windsurfer who couldn't cut it.
A foolish person who wears trousers over the top of a
wetsuit.
Source: Rec.dot Revised Unabridged Dictionary (2005)

Post by Glenn Woodell
I see Trip Foreman and his cronies at Real Kiteboarding in Hatteras
are still up to their attempts to cause rivalry between windsurfers
and kiters.
While I was at WindFest Hatteras, a couple of guys from Real were
passing out kiting literature and a DVD. I saved mine for a neighbor
who is pretty new to kiting. While I showing him what I had for him I
noticed one of Trip's famous "Windsurfing has been cancelled" stickers
inside. These are the stickers which have showed up in the past,
afixed to some windsurfer vehicles without owners' permission.
I encourage anyone who is interested in kiting to give it a try BUT I
discourage anyone from doing business with Real. There are other
sources for kiting gear and fine instruction along the outer banks of
North Carolina beside Real Kiteboarding.
Hatteras is one place where kiters and windsurfers coexist peacefully
despite Trip's very public efforts to cause rivalry.
Glenn

[Mac]

I got one of those handouts at Windfest too that included "KiteBoard"
magazine. I'm no prude, but I wouldn't take that rag back to my house
with my 3 young kids and wife. It was total party (pictures of kids
drinking and dirty dancing somewhere in OBX), sex, nudity (no kidding),
bad language, etc....complete with a pullout poster of a girl model
taking her top off in a photo sequence. Kiteboarding is making quite
the reputation for itself with this trash. I guess the audience is the
young extreme dude/dudette types.....guess I'm getting old. I do
remember my much younger years checking out the skateboard magazines
for the "culture" more than anything else....but this one rag has gone
too far. If there was a windsurfing magazine like this, I wouldn't read
it. I sure do miss Windtracks.....sigh.

Post by Glenn Woodell
I see Trip Foreman and his cronies at Real Kiteboarding in Hatteras
are still up to their attempts to cause rivalry between windsurfers
and kiters.
While I was at WindFest Hatteras, a couple of guys from Real were
passing out kiting literature and a DVD. I saved mine for a neighbor
who is pretty new to kiting. While I showing him what I had for him I
noticed one of Trip's famous "Windsurfing has been cancelled"

stickers

Post by Glenn Woodell
inside. These are the stickers which have showed up in the past,
afixed to some windsurfer vehicles without owners' permission.
I encourage anyone who is interested in kiting to give it a try BUT I
discourage anyone from doing business with Real. There are other
sources for kiting gear and fine instruction along the outer banks of
North Carolina beside Real Kiteboarding.
Hatteras is one place where kiters and windsurfers coexist peacefully
despite Trip's very public efforts to cause rivalry.
Glenn

[Glenn Woodell]

Yeah. Remember all the flack thet North got for some of their racy ads
and brochures? They were mild compared to the skin in that magazine.
And I guess the latest thing for the kiter dudes (not the ones I know)
is to let your plumbers crack show. Did you notice that? and don't
know of any windsurfing rags that had the word F$%K in them.

Glenn

Post by Mac
I got one of those handouts at Windfest too that included "KiteBoard"
magazine. I'm no prude, but I wouldn't take that rag back to my house
with my 3 young kids and wife. It was total party (pictures of kids
drinking and dirty dancing somewhere in OBX), sex, nudity (no kidding),
bad language, etc....complete with a pullout poster of a girl model
taking her top off in a photo sequence. Kiteboarding is making quite
the reputation for itself with this trash. I guess the audience is the
young extreme dude/dudette types.....guess I'm getting old. I do
remember my much younger years checking out the skateboard magazines
for the "culture" more than anything else....but this one rag has gone
too far. If there was a windsurfing magazine like this, I wouldn't read
it. I sure do miss Windtracks.....sigh.

Post by Glenn Woodell
I see Trip Foreman and his cronies at Real Kiteboarding in Hatteras
are still up to their attempts to cause rivalry between windsurfers
and kiters.
While I was at WindFest Hatteras, a couple of guys from Real were
passing out kiting literature and a DVD. I saved mine for a neighbor
who is pretty new to kiting. While I showing him what I had for him I
noticed one of Trip's famous "Windsurfing has been cancelled"

stickers

Post by Glenn Woodell
inside. These are the stickers which have showed up in the past,
afixed to some windsurfer vehicles without owners' permission.
I encourage anyone who is interested in kiting to give it a try BUT I
discourage anyone from doing business with Real. There are other
sources for kiting gear and fine instruction along the outer banks of
North Carolina beside Real Kiteboarding.
Hatteras is one place where kiters and windsurfers coexist peacefully
despite Trip's very public efforts to cause rivalry.
Glenn

[wsurfn]

I did not study my brother's kiteboard magazines on the coffee table,
but rather just leafed through them. I missed that content. I just
don't get why we are all so damn prude on the ads. If you ask me, we
need a little controversy in our mags. This wholesome fuddy-duddy image
I think hurts us a little with the younger crowd. It is a grey line,
though. It is impossible to please everybody (or prevent offending
someone). I think a little is good (my little may be too much for you,
or not enough). I think the nastygrams written to the editors
threating to revoke their subscrition, should be taken with a grain of
salt. I think the magazine should have a vision and try to stick to
it, wholesome or not. Freedback is good, it just should not run the
show.

[Craig Goudie]

Sorta poetic doncha think,

-Craig

"wsurfn" <***@austin.rr.com> wrote in message news:***@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
[snip]

Post by wsurfn
I think hurts us a little with the younger crowd. It is a grey line,
though.

[snip]

[Glenn Woodell]

Post by wsurfn
I did not study my brother's kiteboard magazines on the coffee table,
but rather just leafed through them. I missed that content. I just
don't get why we are all so damn prude on the ads. If you ask me, we
need a little controversy in our mags. This wholesome fuddy-duddy image
I think hurts us a little with the younger crowd.

I have a 7 year old daughter. I can deal with plumber's cracks. But
nipple shots and F%&K are a little over the line for me.

Personally I never saw anything wrong with the North ads. Nothing you
wouldn't see on TV or other ads.

Glenn

[J]

Post by Glenn Woodell
I have a 7 year old daughter. I can deal with plumber's cracks. But
nipple shots and F%&K are a little over the line for me.
Personally I never saw anything wrong with the North ads. Nothing you
wouldn't see on TV or other ads.
Glenn

Agreed. The problem with progressively more 'over-the-edge' ads is where
do they stop? Are products so worthless that they have to use seamy ads
to create a desire to buy them? And as you mention, it's hard to raise
young kids without magazines debasing the things your trying to teach them.

[Alan]

At least Viagara isn't sponsoring any of us like NASCAR, yet. That's always
fun trying to explain to young kids.

Hey wait, the motto could be 'Keep the wind up!'

Alan

--
Windsurfing Club: http://www.ibscc.org

Post by J

Post by Glenn Woodell
I have a 7 year old daughter. I can deal with plumber's cracks. But
nipple shots and F%&K are a little over the line for me.
Personally I never saw anything wrong with the North ads. Nothing you
wouldn't see on TV or other ads.
Glenn

Agreed. The problem with progressively more 'over-the-edge' ads is where
do they stop? Are products so worthless that they have to use seamy ads
to create a desire to buy them? And as you mention, it's hard to raise
young kids without magazines debasing the things your trying to teach them.

[Paul Braunbehrens]

I never understood this anyway. If you want to look at pr0n then there
are plenty of magazines etc. that cater to it. If you buy a
windsurfing, kitesurfing, whatever magazine, then it is ostensibly
because you want to read about windsurfing, kitesurfing, whatever.

Mostly I think people don't have the mental fortitude to admit they
want sex, so they look at a "kitesurfing" magazine. Just buy a Hustler
and move on, and let the rest of us read our sport magz without all the
sex be it in ads or otherwise. And btw, that series of ads with the
woman takign her clothes off isn't even sexy. It's just disgusting. I
already forgot what the ad was for... see how effective it was ;-)

Post by J

Post by Glenn Woodell
I have a 7 year old daughter. I can deal with plumber's cracks. But
nipple shots and F%&K are a little over the line for me.
Personally I never saw anything wrong with the North ads. Nothing you
wouldn't see on TV or other ads.
Glenn

Agreed. The problem with progressively more 'over-the-edge' ads is where
do they stop? Are products so worthless that they have to use seamy ads
to create a desire to buy them? And as you mention, it's hard to raise
young kids without magazines debasing the things your trying to teach them.

[Mac]

I'm with Glenn. Like I said, I'm no prude and I do now recall my
favorite rag, Windtracks, had a couple of topless shots of women (in
Canary Islands), and the North & RRD ads weren't a big deal, etc. But
KITEBOARD was way over the line....nothing mild about it.

I don't care what the younger crowd thinks of us apparently old fuddy
duddies, I just like to windsurf.

By the way Craig, I'm sure you can get a copy from REAL. You might be
right, maybe with the kids out of the house, you and your wife might
really enjoy it afer all ;-)

Mac

Post by Glenn Woodell

Post by wsurfn
I did not study my brother's kiteboard magazines on the coffee table,
but rather just leafed through them. I missed that content. I just
don't get why we are all so damn prude on the ads. If you ask me, we
need a little controversy in our mags. This wholesome fuddy-duddy image
I think hurts us a little with the younger crowd.

I have a 7 year old daughter. I can deal with plumber's cracks. But
nipple shots and F%&K are a little over the line for me.
Personally I never saw anything wrong with the North ads. Nothing you
wouldn't see on TV or other ads.
Glenn

[Craig Goudie]

Um, where can I get a copy of the "Rag" again. I'm old,
but my kids are adults now (and so is my wife) ;*)

-Craig

[snip]dirty dancing somewhere in OBX), sex, nudity (no kidding),
bad language, etc....complete with a pullout poster of a girl model
taking her top off in a photo sequence. Kiteboarding is making quite
the reputation for itself [snip]

sigh.

Post by Glenn Woodell
I see Trip Foreman and his cronies at Real Kiteboarding in Hatteras
are still up to their attempts to cause rivalry between windsurfers
and kiters.
While I was at WindFest Hatteras, a couple of guys from Real were
passing out kiting literature and a DVD. I saved mine for a neighbor
who is pretty new to kiting. While I showing him what I had for him I
noticed one of Trip's famous "Windsurfing has been cancelled"

stickers

Post by Glenn Woodell
inside. These are the stickers which have showed up in the past,
afixed to some windsurfer vehicles without owners' permission.
I encourage anyone who is interested in kiting to give it a try BUT I
discourage anyone from doing business with Real. There are other
sources for kiting gear and fine instruction along the outer banks of
North Carolina beside Real Kiteboarding.
Hatteras is one place where kiters and windsurfers coexist peacefully
despite Trip's very public efforts to cause rivalry.
Glenn

[e***@gmail.com]

Well a good reply bumper sticker could be:

"Our fun starts when yours end!"

obviuosly refers to the wind strength ....

:o)

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